And the meme completely breaks down if the building is considered art so let’s not play dumb. We both know in this meme the building isn’t representing art.
The meme suggests that this beautiful woman made herself less attractive by getting tattoos. People who tend to agree with that statement are not necessarily nazis fascists sexists Trump voters rapists church goers and so on, despite the fact that many of that ilk share similar sentiments (but for completely different reasons). Believe it or not, not everyone likes this aesthetic and this is not political.
If you think “I don’t like tattoos on women” is the same as “women with tattoos look like vandalized buildings” then you’re missing the nuances necessary to have this discussion.
First of all I didn’t say any of these things. You assumed both. Personally I don’t like tagging, which is not the same as graffiti. Graffiti art can be great. There’s street art out there that’s breathtaking.
Same for tattoos. For starters I never distinguished between men and women. You did that. I have nothing against tattoos as a general concept. I’m not a fan of this particular style of cliché designs scattered about.
Here’s my perspective on tattoos if you’re interested:
In western cultures tattoos started out as distinguishers of society’s outcasts, prisoners etc. Their popularisation in the last few decades began from successful individuals who somehow “made it” in life. Rock stars, football players etc, usually people from lower or middle class families who made a lot of money. For them unconsciously tattoos in visible places signify that they are successful in an unorthodox way, it shows to everyone that they can be different, they can stand out because they have money and they don’t need an employer/ master, they don’t need to look presentable, wear a suit (uniform) to work etc. In essence they’re free from the shackles of labour. Tattoos became a sign of individuality and success in that way.
Nowadays that everyone and their mother has tattoos and nobody cares anymore, in order to serve their purpose they need to be more and more outlandish and provocative, hence the face tattoo fad etc. I predict that in a few years from now kids will reject the concept and it might even be cool not to have them.
How about you don’t assume what I’m saying and you read what I’m actually saying. I never said you stated either of those things. I said if you can’t tell the difference between the two statements it’s pointless to explain how that meme is political.
The only way this is “political” is in a twisted american way where the only difference between the two parties available is that the dems are somehow lefties because of their more accepting views on social matters like abortion and the lgbt community, compared to the utterly deranged nazi right. Well newsflash, acceptance of peoples’ appearance is fundamental understanding of human rights and there’s nothing wrong with expressing one’s dislike of a certain style. One does not negate the other.
Political is class warfare, freedom of speech and expression, not some stupid tattoos.
acceptance of peoples’ appearance is fundamental understanding of human rights and there’s nothing wrong with expressing one’s dislike of a certain style.
Are you saying it’s okay to say you don’t like black people? The color of your skin is as fundamental as your appearance can get and if there’s nothing wrong with expressing dislike about certain appearances then surely there’s nothing wrong with saying you don’t like black people. Actually, let’s not soften that statement. According to you there’s nothing wrong with hating black people because it’s just expressing a dislike. I could just as easily use that to say it’s okay to hate women too. I could probably also fit jews, arabs and other ethnic groups (as long as they dress in a certain way)
And this is the issue with your opinion. It’s so blunt and devoid on any nuance that it can be twisted to mean whatever it needs to mean at any given moment. So yeah, of course according to you it’s not political. Nothing even remotely related to appearance is political.
Even if it is a criticism of the tattooing style it’s still likening it to vandalism. It doesn’t change the message behind the meme.
See what you and I call vandalism on that building some call art.
And the meme completely breaks down if the building is considered art so let’s not play dumb. We both know in this meme the building isn’t representing art.
The meme suggests that this beautiful woman made herself less attractive by getting tattoos. People who tend to agree with that statement are not necessarily nazis fascists sexists Trump voters rapists church goers and so on, despite the fact that many of that ilk share similar sentiments (but for completely different reasons). Believe it or not, not everyone likes this aesthetic and this is not political.
If you think “I don’t like tattoos on women” is the same as “women with tattoos look like vandalized buildings” then you’re missing the nuances necessary to have this discussion.
First of all I didn’t say any of these things. You assumed both. Personally I don’t like tagging, which is not the same as graffiti. Graffiti art can be great. There’s street art out there that’s breathtaking. Same for tattoos. For starters I never distinguished between men and women. You did that. I have nothing against tattoos as a general concept. I’m not a fan of this particular style of cliché designs scattered about.
Here’s my perspective on tattoos if you’re interested: In western cultures tattoos started out as distinguishers of society’s outcasts, prisoners etc. Their popularisation in the last few decades began from successful individuals who somehow “made it” in life. Rock stars, football players etc, usually people from lower or middle class families who made a lot of money. For them unconsciously tattoos in visible places signify that they are successful in an unorthodox way, it shows to everyone that they can be different, they can stand out because they have money and they don’t need an employer/ master, they don’t need to look presentable, wear a suit (uniform) to work etc. In essence they’re free from the shackles of labour. Tattoos became a sign of individuality and success in that way. Nowadays that everyone and their mother has tattoos and nobody cares anymore, in order to serve their purpose they need to be more and more outlandish and provocative, hence the face tattoo fad etc. I predict that in a few years from now kids will reject the concept and it might even be cool not to have them.
How about you don’t assume what I’m saying and you read what I’m actually saying. I never said you stated either of those things. I said if you can’t tell the difference between the two statements it’s pointless to explain how that meme is political.
The only way this is “political” is in a twisted american way where the only difference between the two parties available is that the dems are somehow lefties because of their more accepting views on social matters like abortion and the lgbt community, compared to the utterly deranged nazi right. Well newsflash, acceptance of peoples’ appearance is fundamental understanding of human rights and there’s nothing wrong with expressing one’s dislike of a certain style. One does not negate the other. Political is class warfare, freedom of speech and expression, not some stupid tattoos.
Are you saying it’s okay to say you don’t like black people? The color of your skin is as fundamental as your appearance can get and if there’s nothing wrong with expressing dislike about certain appearances then surely there’s nothing wrong with saying you don’t like black people. Actually, let’s not soften that statement. According to you there’s nothing wrong with hating black people because it’s just expressing a dislike. I could just as easily use that to say it’s okay to hate women too. I could probably also fit jews, arabs and other ethnic groups (as long as they dress in a certain way)
And this is the issue with your opinion. It’s so blunt and devoid on any nuance that it can be twisted to mean whatever it needs to mean at any given moment. So yeah, of course according to you it’s not political. Nothing even remotely related to appearance is political.