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So that’s that then
Money talks
Surprised they dragged it out this long. He’s rich and white, did anyone think this was ever going anywhere else?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Alec Baldwin is guilty of at least negligence with a firearm, although I’d go for manslaughter.
Being an actor doesn’t absolve you of all responsibility. Anyone else who accidentally kills someone else get charged with manslaughter. The fact that the public doesn’t see this obvious fact proves the stranglehold the rich have on American ideals. In any other professional job if I killed someone accidentally, whether it be with a gun, a car, or my own two hands, I would expect to atleast get tried for it.
That and Mr Baldwin straight up LIED about how it even happened. He told a story of the gun firing itself that several firearms experts, including the agency that was investigating, all said is impossible on the model of firearm he had. Yet everyone believes he shouldn’t be charged.
If you had nothing to worry about, you wouldn’t lie. He lied because he knows he didn’t do his job.
Very much disagree. This was the responsibility of the firearms master and barring that the prop master.
As an actor on a professional set, it would be irresponsible to mess with a potentially dangerous prop in a way not indicated by the individual in charge of it. It could be a specialized gun modified in such a way that trying to remove a round makes a specialized effect charge go off. Way to go Alec. Now we need to take a 2 hour break as the prop master resets your fuck up when you were supposed to set off that smoke charge pulling the trigger.
It’s the actor’s job to get into the moment and act, there are other roles explicitly in charge of on set safety. Their prop master failed at their job. A professional pretender is one of the few situations where it is not their responsibility to actually know everything about what they’re supposed to be pretending to do.
It isn’t an actor’s job to send a sample of sugar glass to a lab to make sure it’s safely fragile enough to throw a co-star through, or rip open the foam bag they’re supposed to push a Co star “off a building” into to check for sharp objects. Such a disruptive actor wouldn’t get very far in their career.
“It isn’t an actor’s job”
Yeah… But he wasn’t just an actor. Baldwin was a Producer. An actor and producer who ON THE DAY BEFORE HIS WEAPON WENT OFF had his stunt double have an accidental discharge of a weapon on set that fired a real ass bullet. I repeat. He had a complete dry run of the accident with his own fucking stunt double where nobody gor hurt because of complete chance after which he had crew approach him with extreme concerns over which a number resigned in protest. If he had been working on a union show they would have shut the whole thing down for a bloody week when the stunt double discharged that bullet but they didn’t… Because union shows and studios have chains of safety liability that are designed to stop productions cold when they are in danger of causing a death. This serves not just to protect workers but Producers because if something goes wrong they are liable. Studios generally employ Production Managers who in exchange for veto power over Producers decisions assume the liability for safety.
Independent shows do not have those safety nets. If your Production manager comes to you and says “This has to stop” in an independent show that’s more of a suggestion then a firm veto. In this case, the Producers flagrantly ignored those warnings and said that they would continue as is. People generally don’t know what a Producer’s role is… Hell Producers sometimes do not realize their full list of responsibilities because a lot of the less fun parts get outsourced but tje fact is if you are paying to make a show you are an employer who is liable for the safety of your employees.
In 2014 camera assist Sarah Jones was killed on a film set because Producers decided to okay a camera set up on train tracks for a shot. All but one was charged with manslaughter. The whole trial situation here missed the fucking point. They just as well told these rich independent nut jobs that they can get away with making shows under dangerous work conditions as long as they are popular.
Ordinarily I would agree, but there are a few issues with that.
For one, he’s not just an actor. He’s also credited as one of the 13 producers and co-producers. That producer hat does not disappear once the director yells action. That alone should open up a door for all 13 of these guys to get charges applied if they ignored warnings about safety. Not saying it’s an open and shut case, hell maybe he’s only producer in name for bragging rights and never attended a meeting, it’s a valid argument he can make. But I think it definitely opens the door.
Secondly, the amount of star power he has does give him some power in this film. If people are complaining about safety and he’s domineering over people going “Shut up! I need filming done in 3 months so I can move to x film, give me the gun lets go”. He’s culpable in my eyes. He actively silenced and ignored concerns in that hypothetical and proceeded to roll the dice himself. Again no idea if that happened but it would absolutely open the door for charges.
The fact that the case is being dropped suggests that maybe they thought they had a case in these two veins, but ultimately couldn’t make the argument to a reliable degree.
Producer == investor. It’s the only way acting talent gets real pay.
If the actor doesn’t know how to handle a fire arm, he has no business holding one at all.
Movie set doesn’t get soem sort of exception to these rules. Guns are made to kill peopel, the only reason why society permits non state actor handle guns is with understanding that you know how to handle the weapon. If you don’t know, then use a fake.
A dead victim so actors can play with real guns for a circus for the plebs is unacceptable
I realize you hate the actor for whatever reason, but the fact of the matter is in the article you won’t read.
Judge Mary Marlowe Sommer dismissed the case on the third day of the trial, after learning that the prosecution had failed to turn over key evidence — a cache of bullets — to the defense. The judge blasted Morrissey’s handling of the case, calling it “so near to bad faith as to show signs of scorching.”
Yes Alex is the real victim here lol
The prosecutor never wanted to prosecute and only did so due to public sentiment them proceeds to botch the case…
This what corruption looks like folks.
The prosecutor never wanted to prosecute because… some vague reason in your head?
I recommend spending time with your family the next couple of days.
Keeping you busy having to work on holidays?
Hehe
What in the world are you talking about?
Are you a legit mental person?I do have this guy tagged for being completely incoherent from some other discussion before, so… maybe?
They spent like five solid hours doing nothing but arguing in this post, on xmas eve lol
Yes, every person who doesn’t share your opinions is “crazy”
Strong rhetoric chief!
Ok, you’re not making any sense at all so we’re done here.
Wonder if there’s been any money transfers to the prosecutor from the Baldwin family…
That’s not how corruption works in US but if there transfers, there would not be a trace.
Generally, treating an elite parasite “fairly” will expedite the career of the prosecutor
He gets to make a good name in the proper circles.
I was just wondering if the loss of reputation would prevent career progression, and therefore if money would have been needed for this kind of treatment.
Peasants will forget the prosecutors name. They don’t care about public perception eitherway. You get promoted by being a good servant to the regime.
They could give two fucks about what working class thinks with a few exceptions like luigi case.
Making powerful friends is the name of the game. Stepping on peasants is how you get ahead.
What is his job in this case?
Not shooting his coworkers, for starters.
Also, IIRC he was the producer or something as well as an actor, so he was the firearms handler’s boss and ultimately in charge of everything including on-set safety to begin with.
As an actor in the same movie hes not allowed to adjust weaponry on set or his whole production would be uninsurable.
The weaponmaster is where the buck stops.
As a producer in the same movie he also has a duty to make sure the weapon master knows what they’re doing. Again I’m not saying he’s the only one responsible, but to me the buck stops with the guy who pulled the trigger.
It doesnt matter what you think.
On set heirarchy exists for a reason and that reason has resulted in only two gun related deaths since 1993 despite being the mostly widely used weapon in all of cinema.
Well yeah, he did. The person is a credentialed expert, and he delegated all responsibilities to that person.
What exactly do you mean? He’s an actor. My point is that that doesn’t absolve you of firearm safety
Yes but his point is that Baldwin wasn’t responsible for firearms safety on the set at all he was just an actor the armorer is the one who’s responsible. Just like the person who hires the Hitman is responsible for the death, the person who is the armorer on the set is responsible for this person’s death.
Rule #1 of firearms safety is to not point a gun at anything you don’t want to shoot.
How the fuck would that work in a movie, exactly?
Easy, by not using real guns
Lots and lots of cuts, lol. Green screen everything. In an action scene, every single actor must be in completely different room, or shoot their part at different times, then composite everything together. No movies will ever have the weapon pointed at the camera, ever. Such scenes are now banned.
Also, if any scene involves picking up a weapon, they must cut, the actor must check the weapon, then resume filming after. This must be done on every take.
What’s the actor going to check? How heavy it is? They don’t have a clue.
If by “check” you mean somebody who is an expert or is informed by experts makes a judgement about the weapon and announces it, that happened.
Court submissions say assistant director David Halls did not know the gun contained live ammunition, and indicated it was unloaded by shouting “cold gun!”
The armourer who provided the weapon did receive a manslaughter conviction. It was their responsibility, and they either screwed up or let themselves get bullied into screwing up by the asshat AD.
It is revealed assistant director David Halls had been sacked from a previous production, war drama Freedom’s Path, over gun safety violations in 2019.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/rust-assistant-director-david-halls-sentenced-deadly-set/story?id=98268586
He was sentenced already for negligence.
Woooosh
There’s a bunch of comments that are 100% serious in suggesting this stuff :/
These parasite never get in trouble for anything
Jfc
Literally can play with guns, kill a person and nothing happens.
Clown justice system and this is getting burried Christmas week with all Luigi drama.
Prosecutors are working for defense here?
Well they did a good job convincing the public that the person holding the gun isn’t responsible for what happens with said gun, considering the down votes. Happened last time I said he needs to be punished for what he did.
Gun safety is only important if you’re not rich/famous/ an actor
Yeah, keanu reeves is a dick for pointing guns at everyone in John Wick. He should practice gun safety and always point the barrel down whenever he’s doing a scene. /s
Its sort of absurd to expect baldwin to not trust his weapon specialist, aside from the fact that fucking with blanks after a “professional” has loaded the weapon can and will result in death regardless of what happened in this situation.
Just tell us you hate guns and are ignorant of on-set heirarchy.
What is the first rule of handling a weapon dear?
Which rules are more important set “hierarchy” or gun safety?
Asking for a friend dear
What are you even talking about? You seriously think people in movies shouldn’t be pointing guns at each other for a scene? How many westerns have been made with no problems whatsoever? This was the fault of an incompotent armoror on set.
“Sorry director, I can’t point a gun at someone for this scene cuz gun safety is more important.” Lol.
Nobody said that… You made that up.
But if you play with guns, it is your responsibility not to kill anyone
This is gun safety 101.
Any adult person knows this, anyone who doesn’t has no business touching a weapon.
Gun safety 101 is you never, under any circumstances, point your gun at something you don’t intend to kill. So yes, you are absolutely saying that actors shouldn’t be pointing guns at other actors.
Is this supposed to be a flex?
If this rule was followed the vicitm would alive…
Or they could like check the weapon before playing with it… Second best option if you really going to be playing with weapons
You said that my man. Where on earth did you learn that gun safety 101 is “don’t kill anyone”? Lol.
Gun safety 101 is don’t point one at something unless you intend to shoot it.
The rules that have been put into place after the death of brandon lee which have resulted in the deaths of only 2 people since 1993.
Those rules.
Do these rules supercede the law?
Who hired the armor and how is the head guy on the set?
Let’s say i hired someone to build a house for me.
The house ostensibly looks fine and seems sturdy.
I invite my friends over, and they come inside the house.
I walk outside to move some trash and shut the door.
Shutting the door causes the house to collapse, killing everyone inside.
Am i responsible for my friends deaths? I did kill them by knocking down my house after all.
Guns are subject to special handling rules because their intent is to kill people.
Analogies here are red herring
Guns are made to kill people and anyone whp handles huns is held to the highest standard of care on the personal level. This is not something you can contract away unless you are a regime whore of certain level like Alex
Alec wasn’t filming at the time. Keanu went through actual training to handle firearms on screen which I think should be the minimum. The fact that Keanu made 4 movies in that series without killing anyone proves it can be done safely. In the circumstances of filming I would be unreasonable to expect every one of the 4 rules to be followed at all times, but breaking every single one of those rules all at once should not happen. The bare minimum that Alec can and should’ve done is inspect the gun to see if it’s loaded, and that it’s loaded with “safe” rounds. I mean that’s the first thing I do!
Also I own several guns, try not to make assumptions.
You can own several guns. But have you worked on any films?
There is a long list of things that should not have happened on that set. But I don’t think Alec should have been charged. His role of producer has little to do with that too, unless he was specifically involved in the hiring and firing of employees. It’s not like he was the sole producer. Those responsibilities weren’t his.
The bare minimum that Alec can and should’ve done is inspect the gun to see if it’s loaded, and that it’s loaded with “safe” rounds. I mean that’s the first thing I do!
It really isn’t, though.
Insurance doesn’t allow actors to adjust weaponry on set.
So Insurance contract supercedes gun safety handling?
🤡
On a movie set, yes.
The people who are licensed and insured to ensure gun safety are the ones responsible for it.
Im not sure why you’re hellbent on making it seem like all of the rules for gun safety on set werent followed.
I am telling you that a person handling a gun is responsible for that gun, this is gun ownership 101 and it doesn’t get overridden but by contract law or set hierarchy.
The only reason this argument worked here is because prosecutor decided so, full stop
People can make up their own minds why tje prosecutor do this for a rich “influencer” lol
Cool thing is that he wasn’t just an actor on set, he was a producer as well. Which entails more responsibility.
Considering she was head armorer and assistant armorer in other movies, im not sure why he would think she wasnt a qualified individual.
Its not like he hired a random person on the street.
It was announced by an AD.
Now do mob bosses and realize how flawed your logic is.
Responsibilityto handle guns safely is not something that can waived with an employment arrangement.
But Hollywood LARPers love their regime whores too much to give a fuck. I bet these are the same clowsn are who want “gun control”
Pathetic Caricatures of a citizen
No major gun incidents for decades in the film industry! Since Brendon lee. Alec made the first major fuckup since then and killed someone with a live round and Noone sees anything wrong with that.
I’m not saying other people didn’t fuck up and deserve punishment aka the armorer, but Alec also deserves to answer for it
Alec also deserves to answer for it
Exactly, but corruption within justice system prevented any accountability.
Another microcosm of how US regime operates.
Two tier justice system and plebs like it as is 🤡
People with money are never held accountable!? Say what?
Maybe try understanding what happened before posting whiny comments?
What a shame.
Why do you feel like this is a shame?
Because rich people now know that if they midhandle a fire arm and kill a person, nothing will happen. They can blame some poorly paid wagie, they don’t have to accept any consequences for bad gross negligence
I mean he shot that woman and killed her as far as I know, are there more details I’m not aware of?
Ah. Ok. I mean, I’m of the opinion that he has every reason to believe he wasn’t going to shoot her when he pulled the trigger.
But I just wasn’t sure if you were misunderstanding the headline or if you were in the camp of punish everybody all the time.
That’s true, it sort of seems like negligent homicide to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter
I always thought that killing someone, even on accident, is against the law.
Personally, I just don’t think Baldwin is the one who deserves the charge. There were people on set responsible for ensuring his gun wasn’t loaded. Those people failed in their job.
The armoror was sentenced awhile ago.
As she should been but that doesn’t resolve issue of alecs Liabit as the guy who didn’t murder and the guy in charge of the set.
These parasites love taking profit but they are never there to take any negative consequences
Folks really wanted Baldwin’s balls over this because he was Trump on SNL. A large part of this whole case was disguised political animus.
But wasn’t Baldwin not even supposed to be shooting at the person he killed? If he had shot someone he was supposed to fire a blank at, I understand. Aren’t you supposed to practice gun safety even with replicas? Don’t point at anything you’re not willing to shoot?
He was following the directions of the director and everybody involved, including the woman who died, agreed to do the scene. She wasn’t just some random person on set, she was behind the camera because she was the director of photography.
If she didn’t feel the scene was safe to film, she had the right to say no to using a realistic prop. This is an obviously sad incident. But Manny people were found or pleaded guilty to the events. Baldwin just isn’t I’ve of them. Actors can’t be expected to be experts and have to defer to experts on set all the time.
There are, yes. Unfortunately no one has written any articles about it, and multiple people haven’t gone to court over the situation either. It’s really too bad, it’s just a big black hole of information. The only thing all of us can do is simply read a headline and make emotional guesses as to what happened.
It was on a movie set where it is to be reasonably expected that the armorer will clear weapons to be safe on set and that actors aren’t expected to be firearms experts so that they are able to perform with them.
It should also be expected that said armorers do their job as expected and NOT shoot real ammo out of prop guns. And if they do, they’re expected to properly clear them; even though they never should in the first place.
But yeah, this was totally about Alec Baldwin the elite bourgeois flexing his real ultimate power of wealth and crushing the matter-nothing proletariat, the people have lost once again because he was not held accountable for someone else’s actions.
I’m all for eating the rich but let’s not just make shit up, that makes us look ridiculous.
A really cheesy way to put it but I generally agree. However I don’t think that Alec Baldwin pressured the prosecutor to back off, I think the prosecutor didn’t want the smoke from other entities like Baldwin’s managers or business partners, or Alec Baldwin’s fans
