The picture would of course look very different if manufacturers had chosen to make smaller inexpensive electric sedans.

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    Firstly, you are the one who started from the premise you need to own a car to commute, and indeed that one should own a car capable only of commuting and other very short often bikeable trips.

    Did I? Imo I merely expressed that the weight problem of cars meant that how they are designed should change. How does “we should have” mean everyone should have one, and only use that?

    All I meant is that smaller and lighter, shorter range cars should be available, and be considered as normal to use as what is normal now.

    And why did you just write nine paragraphs at me explaining things I’m fully aware of?

    Do you think people with ideas about how the world could work, are somehow blind to how it does work?

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      I mean you are pretty explicitly expecting people to buy a car just to go to work and groceries.

      More to the point NEVs in NA and quadracycles in Europe are already available, and indeed represented the majority of the EV market about fifteen to twenty years ago.

      They didn’t really find a market in the US and most of the companies that made them failed, but have remained semi-successful in Europe where their low cost and less strict licensing requirements made them popular with teenagers and seniors.

      Nevertheless, it was only with 250mi plus ranges that EVs actually stated to push gas cars off the road in any number.

      Generally, on the internet, it is helpful to at least lampshade when you are proposing an idea that is very far off and/or disconnected from both the context of the conversation and the way you think the world actually does work, especially when in a community that regularly discusses legislative and technical details and changes of the clean energy transition.

      When the conversation started from a news story about how a ok method of reducing emissions in the US is achieving more than technically better method because it’s seen slower adoption, passerby’s are going to assume given that context that you are talking about changes to be made in the few short years and decades we have to stop the destruction of civilization as we know it into account.

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        Aaand that’s several more paragraphs on condescension.

        So what I’m getting is this: your problem is that I didn’t write my comment in the form of a watertight essay, while discarding any mention of anything that is unlikely to occur in the immediate future?

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          I don’t have a problem, I’m just explaining why when you start talking about the far future in reply to a problem in the here and now without any mention that’s what your doing you shouldn’t be surprised someone might think you were talking about a reasonable solution to that problem and explain some of the barriers to that solution.

          Still it’s getting late, and we are off topic from off topic and dominating the comments on something completely unrelated to the conversation, so we should probably leave things here.

          I apologize if I was to snarky in response to the rhetorical questions, and I do hope you have a lovely day/night.