• Eleazar@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    I’m sorry but yes, you should consider bottom surgery mutilation. There’s a difference between the other things but I’m sure you’re missing it.

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      11 months ago

      The big difference is the consent; bottom surgery is done with the consent of the patient and circumsicions are typically done to babies who have no say in the matter. Heck, if someone wants to get circumsized later in life, they absolutely should be able to. Don’t get the whole thing about ‘mutilation’, adults should be able to do whatever they want to their bodies.

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      Bottom surgery is literally, definitionally, not mutilation when it’s done for a consenting adult.

      If you want to call bottom surgery mutilation by your own definition, then literally every surgery is mutilation. But like, cutting out my defective heart and installing a working one, while technically “mutilating” me, is objectively a good for my health.

      You can call surgery mutilation if you want, but it isn’t helpful to anyone and it only serves to make transphobes feel good about themselves.

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      11 months ago

      So someone getting bottom surgery after their penis was irreparably damaged in an accident is being mutilated? Or someone treating a medical issue so they stop passing out from their Cramps? Wow, I’m glad my doc mutilated me out of pain. 🤦

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        11 months ago

        Do you always try to start arguments by making shit up about what the other person said? Yes? Ok then, you do you I guess.

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          You’re saying that bottom surgery is genital mutilation. They’re giving examples of situations where even a transphobes should agree that bottom surgery is good. If it is mutilation in those examples, then you agree with what they said. If it isn’t mutilation in those examples, then it isn’t mutilation in the first place.

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          11 months ago

          We should take this a step further though. Any kind of genital mutilation should be illegal, including bottom surgery.

          You said bottom surgery was mutilation and should be illegal. Those are both bottom surgeries, therefore by your own statement you think they should be illegal. I don’t have to make shit up when you already did that for me.

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              What are you talking about? They’re saying that bottom surgery has legitimate medical applications, which it does. I don’t know whether to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you just replied without reading the comment, or give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re smart enough to read and are actually calling people who get bottom surgery pedophiles.

              Either way, this whole comment section is really making me second guess my commitment to quit reddit, if this is the caliber of discussion we have here.

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              Lemme help you out here buddy

              @Eleazar@sh.itjust.works made the incredibly transphobic and apparently popular argument that all bottom surgery is genital mutilation.

              @such_lettuce7970@kbin.social replied to them, saying that they dont consider the bottom surgery they recieved to be genital mutilation.

              @Eleazar@sh.itjust.works made the incredibly offensive comment that yes, actually, such_lettuce7970 was mutilated.

              @RobertOwnageJunior@lemmy.world replied saying that sometimes bottom surgery is medically necessary, implying that when it is medically necessary, it’s wrong to consider it mutilation.

              Then you called him a fucktard for some unfathomable reason.

              @irmoz@reddthat.com said that you read their comment wrong, because you still assume they’re talking about infant circumcision.

              Did this help?

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                11 months ago

                Thank you, yeesh. This is possibly the dumbest comment section I’ve ever seen on here. And yes, Eleazar is a transphobe, who quite ironically was arguing a week ago that homophobia, in Florida, amongst christians like themself, is rare and unpopular. Even if I bought that (I don’t and it feels like a classic “as a gay man” moment), it always makes my head shake when people are seemingly offended at being accused of homophobia, then turn around and go “oh, but those transes though, yeah fuck them”.

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                  11 months ago

                  Eleazar is a transphobe. They said in no uncertain terms that they believe all bottom surgery, not just infant circumcision, is mutilation.

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                    11 months ago

                    What a peach. Never thpught I’d meet an actual equal opportunity bigot. I guess being anti circumcision is a great cover for anti semitism.

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                  11 months ago

                  Apparently even the hysterectomy I had that also treated medical problems is mutilation. Apparently my doctor mutilated me into a life of less pain.

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              11 months ago

              Circumcision isn’t mutilation. That’s a fact. Infant circumcision to appease a sky fairy or to fit in with your neighbours? Yeah that’s mutilation.