• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    And then again what is your conclusion?

    Pasteurization. The Chinese started doing it 1000 years ago, so I’m not sure why you aren’t aware of it.

    As for the “some reason” why I dislike raw milk:

    Milk is an excellent medium for microbial growth,[18] and when it is stored at ambient temperature, bacteria and other pathogens soon proliferate.[19] The US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) says improperly handled raw milk is responsible for nearly three times more hospitalizations than any other food-borne disease source, making it one of the world’s most dangerous food products.[20][21] Diseases prevented by pasteurization can include tuberculosis, brucellosis, diphtheria, scarlet fever, and Q-fever; it also kills the harmful bacteria Salmonella, Listeria, Yersinia, Campylobacter, Staphylococcus aureus, and Escherichia coli O157:H7,[22][23] among others.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization

    But do explain why such outbreaks should be risked for the sake of someone having a kind of milk they prefer the taste of.

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      6 hours ago

      None of these diseases is viral. They are all bacterial. You said:

      I think you need to take a basic virology course

      As you have such adapt knowledge about virology: Which viral infection is transmitted through raw milk, especially one that can cause a pandemic and can you now finally provide actual scientific sources of scientists considering these an issue? Clearly you must have had these in your virology classes, where you took your in depth virology knowledge from.

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        Are you now arguing that raw milk is safe and pasteurization is unnecessary because the only incredibly dangerous and infectious diseases that are spread by raw milk are bacterial or are you just trying to deflect? Because I’m thinking it’s the latter. I’m thinking you know how deadly and dangerous many of those diseases are and how they can easily spread from person to person.

        Although admittedly, I could have misjudged you this entire time, thinking you were an intelligent and rational person, when in fact you are supremely ignorant. But I don’t think that is the case, I think you’re just evading.

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          5 hours ago

          Me: Still i would like to say that i don’t think raw milk is a problematic vector for pandemics to spread. Chance is people will get the shits if hygiene is bad, but i doubt a viral pandemic to spread because of raw milk. More likely would be farm workers getting an infection over the air and then spreading it to other humans.

          You: People who study viruses for a living seem to think it’s possible, but I guess as long as you doubt it, no problem.

          Me: Pandemic from raw milk? Do you have a source for that?

          I am still waiting for the answer on my question. And again if you have such great knowledge in virology and i am lacking such knowledge it should be easy for you to provide me with comprehensive sources supporting your claim, that “People who study viruses for a living seem to think it’s [a viral pandemic to spread because of raw milk] possible”

          Putting words in my mouth and changing the goal post doesn’t change the fact that you claim knowledge about virological matters, that you refuse to support with sources.

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            4 hours ago

            Yep. Evading. Especially when the largest pandemic in history, the black death, was bacterial (yes, yes, not caused by food).

            But go ahead and believe that all of the communicable diseases I listed above, many of which can become airborne and transmissible from human to human, are not a problem related to raw milk that can easily be avoided with a 1000-year-old technique.

            I don’t think anything more productive can come out of this discussion now that you’re just basically trolling.

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              4 hours ago

              Why do we not have issues with the plague anymore? Because of hygiene. Did any of the diseases you mentioned from raw milk cause pandemics? No. Are there other Bacterial diseases that had been local pandemics? Yes. Cholera mainly. Was the transmission mainly from human to human? No, it was usually through contaminated water.

              This is very different from the viral pandemics by the like of the Spanish Flu or the SARS viruses. But none of these spread from people eating contaminated food.