In hindsight, it was the most predictable thing in the world, yet it still somehow caught me by surprise.

No, I don’t support the guy. I don’t even live in the U.S., and I wouldn’t have voted for him if I did. But I do think the average person who identifies as “on the left,” particularly here on Lemmy, doesn’t realize how incredibly toxic the atmosphere becomes for true independents. We’re stuck enduring a firehose of insanity and hatred from both sides.

In my view, one of the main reasons we got Trump in the first place was the identity politics and wokeism on the left. For a while, I thought the pendulum was swinging back toward reason and balance, but now it feels like we’re back where we started. Honestly, I can’t even blame people for voting for him - it’s just a shame that the silent majority has to suffer because of the vocal minority.

Why is it that political discussions seem incapable of being conducted dispassionately? I can’t shake the feeling that this polarization is driving more people to the right, only worsening the issue. Hell, I’m probably going to be labeled a right-winger just for making this post. And then people wonder why the right is gaining popularity. Where else can centrists even go anymore when the left eats its own?

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    It’s hard to take you seriously when you claim to be centrist, but use the term “wokeism”. Do you want trans people to apologize for existing?

    Trump is an objectively dangerous person, a serial rapist, a severe racist, and a senile compulsive liar. If the Republican candidate had been a normal person, like John McCain or Mitt Romney, then I could understand seeing it as an even match. But Trump has made credible threats to endanger tons of American citizens, has promised to be a dictator, has promised that people won’t need to vote any more, and is going to use the presidency to persecute his enemies.

    This is me being dispassionate and objective. Trump is the most dangerous threat the US has ever faced.

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      I don’t disagree about anything you just said about Trump.

      I will continue to use the term wokesim because it describes a real phenomenom in the world. If you want to paint a false picture of my beliefs to yourself because the use of said word then you’re free to do so, but just understand that we probably mostly agree on the vast majority of these issues. However, telling me it’s hard to believe I’m centrist is exactly the issue I’m talking about here. That is what makes people like me go ‘fuck it then’ and vote for the other party.

      Do you want trans people to apologize for existing?

      Yes absolutely. That perfectly describes my attitude towards trans people. When people like me who are fed up with identity politics complain about it we secretly just mean fuck gay and trans people. Good catch.

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        Here. Let’s break this apart and discover why you sound like a piece of shit.

        I will continue to use the term wokesim because it describes a real phenomenom in the world. If you want to paint a false picture of my beliefs

        So, you say wokeism is a real thing, and you say that we are misrepresenting your beliefs, but you don’t tell us your definition of being woke. What about it do you disagree with and why is it bad? How can we accurately understand your beliefs, if you don’t tell us what they are?

        Yes absolutely. That perfectly describes my attitude towards trans people.

        I’m assuming this is sarcasm, but again it’s not very clear. You seem offended that we think you feel this way, but your only response is “yup. I’m an asshole!” Why shouldn’t we believe you?

        Your entire post is “These assholes won because you guys are also assholes, but I am not an asshole. I believe all the correct things, but I won’t tell you what those are.”

        I’m not saying you have to pick a side and commit to becoming the stereotype, but if you use buzz words like woke, and claim to be against it, you damn well better know what it means before you start throwing it around. So, what is woke, and why do you hate it?