No you didn’t. You have sent me exactly one DM that was about not being able to ban my lemmy.world alt.
I sent you one message right after the ban. No reply.
I sent you another as you showed you were doubling down on your overreaction, that I wanted my contributions removed. No reply.
You even proceeded to restore content of mine after I sent those two messages about wanting my contributions gone!
At that point I was FUCKING LIVID!!!
No communication, and doing the LITERAL OPPOSITE OF WHAT I WAS ASKING when it came to my contributions.
I recommend you to look again at your response when I asked you about being aware of the rules.
Except the rules weren’t that EVERY post rated sensitive MUST be tagged. Even back then the wording was “as a rule of thumb”, and you had just yourself explained that a bunch of posts are incorrectly tagged “sensitive” on boorus due to the old “safe” tag.
By asking if I knew whether a far stricter version of the rules you made up on the spot was in effect, you came off like an absolute dick. I thought you were deliberately fucking with me! The image you commented on was in no way NSFW, so the only way I saw to interpret your comment was that you had singled me out because you hated my guts. No shit I chose my words to show I was annoyed and insulted.
Even if your understanding of the situation that I got a annoyed and threw a tantrum was correct, considering I complied immediately both times I realized I was in violation of your rules, that leaves you no valid reason to ban someone for a fucking year!
You made assumptions, and they were WRONG!!!
Now own up to it!
Unless you equate complaining about rules with deliberately breaking them, you have no argument. I wasn’t fibbing when I said I’d always do as a mod asks, but that doesn’t mean I won’t express my dissatisfaction with a nonsensical policy as I do so.
Would you even have checked the image rating if my posting script didn’t conveniently add links to danbooru in all my posts?
another tantrum
Another? That you wanted the Youmu post tagged nsfw surprised me, and I disagreed with your prudishness, so I tried to change your mind after complying with the rules. There was no heightened emotion involved. I was just presenting my problems with how you wanted things to work.
When you commented on the Marisa post, then I got annoyed, I thought you took our earlier discussion personally, and now wanted to get back at me by applying the rules over-zealously. When just pulling the post and going “dude really?” resulted in a 365-day ban, I was SURE you just hated me, and used the slightest excuse available to give me a giant middle finger!
posts and comments weren’t purged, so peoples could better understand the reasoning of the ban
Literally no-one is going to support your actions on this. They simply don’t know about it. I dare you to make and pin an honest post announcing your decision, posting every step in the drama, including this reply, and explaining your reasoning on how my actions are “deliberate” anything.
you was banned for deliberately breaking the rules
I didn’t actively choose to post that Marisa image, at that time. I found it and added it (this involves giving it a title, choosing communities to post to, and checking whether it should be tagged nsfw) to the collection my tool randomly posts from, weeks earlier.
Once you commented on it, I deleted the post, expressed annoyance that you’d want such an obviously SFW post tagged just because of its incorrect danbooru rating, and said I wouldn’t post anymore. How the fuck, do you get from that, to any potential rule-breaking I did being deliberate?
Further, how the hell does someone being so fed up with your nonsense policy, they’d rather stop posting, necessitate a ban? I wasn’t gonna post anymore, so the ban literally just PISSED ME THE FUCK OFF. You added insult to injury. How am I supposed to interpret that as anything other than gleeful malice?
Your posts and comments were already missing. After about a week they appeared again, I thought you changed your mind, but now it’s just confusing why it happened.
Buddy. You don’t even know what a ban does? I can manually visit the community. That’s it. I can’t subscribe, I can’t vote, I can’t comment or post, and I can’t edit or even delete anything.
I have no idea what you’re referring to by my content going missing. I only had time to delete the Marisa post before my ban went live, after that I had to contact the admins to get my stuff removed several weeks later.
if you will address your strong antagonism.
Frankly, I’m the one who wants an apology from you! I don’t want you anywhere near something I care about. I have zero trust left in your ability to be a competent moderator of anything, and especially not something I want to participate in.
The only way I’ll give up on making !touhou@lemmy.world irrelevant by replacing it with !touhou@ani.social is if you step down or acknowledge that banning me for an entire year was completely out of line, and that your given reason makes no sense whatsoever.
Otherwise, I’ll just replace you, so I can have a Touhou community I can actually endorse. Eventually.
I’m not opposed to automation tools, but not going to special case them in rules.
You don’t need to.
The core point there is that I don’t choose what I post day to day. There was no deliberate action of any kind involved when I made that Marisa post, and I didn’t manually go to danbooru and add a link to it.
Coding it so that it tags every post rated sensitive on danbooru as NSFW will be the easiest thing ever. It just wont make sense, because then posts like this, this, this, and this, will be censored. And even then, for any images that can’t be found on danbooru, the one deciding will still be me, exactly like before. And I still have no idea how in the world anyone would consider the Marisa post NSFW.
If that’s genuinely what you want, I’ll do it. But it WILL raise eyebrows, and guess who I’ll point to when the inevitable “why is this tagged” comments start rolling in. I know they will, because like I wrote in another comment, I actually tried doing that for like a day once, and I got four such comments.
I have reverse search extension on both phone and pc. I checked it because she was drugged up so much that she had a head pain (judging by hands position and face expression) and tear coming from her eye. Which suggests “Hard or illegal drug use”. Another reason to check your post was the previous interaction with you, where you showed of your “haha moderator” mindset and basically called me a boomer who asks women to dress up and someone who accommodates peoples with “hangups concerning the human body”. It all really seemed like an attempt to push your opinion using labels. I wasn’t insulted by it, but it made a certain impression of you.
You made assumptions, and they were wrong
This whole discussion kinda proves that they were right.
If that’s genuinely what you want …
No. I want you to fight your strong antagonism. After that I will have some hope that you won’t start doing something stupid again and will unban you without any restrictions. I will even be ok if you will continue on ani.social. It will be a bit unfortunate, but, alright. I admit that your last post probably could be handled differently and there were faults in the rules, likely they are still there. Honestly, I don’t think you deserve any apologies, though I’m not asking for any from you too.
Also, in light of most of my DMs apparently being eaten by federation issues, I’ll drop and retract the animosity. I’m sorry about that.
In return, I expect you to acknowledge that I did in fact attempt to reach you cordially.
My criticism of your policies and actions stands, however.
And, I was hardly referring to your assumptions about my charachter, but rather your assumption that my violation of any rules was at any point intentional. Which again, considering I do not actively choose what to post at any given minute, can’t possibly be the case.
And let me explain what I mean when I say that your response was out of line.
As moderators, our task is to enact and enforce rules. But enforcement doesn’t just mean deleting any and all offenders. We want to be as welcoming as possible while still not allowing the rules to be bent significantly out of true.
This means applying logic in our actions, doing things that are likely to modify behavior towards the ideal, so that near-compliance can become compliance, instead of lost activity.
You applied a ban so long, it will be EASIER for me to just supplant your community entirely, rather than wait it out and come back with improved behaviour.
I moderate over a dozen communities. You seriously think I have a “Haha moderator” mindset? Again. I wasn’t fibbing that I will unconditionally obey admins and moderators. Even if you made complaining against the rules, I’d comply.
And what you seem to be saying, is that you did take it personally?
That you did in fact allow it to affect your image of me in a way that made you to more rash, less considered, and potentially unfair in taking action against me?
I did not call you anything. I pointed out that your logic has parallel’s with some mysoginistic ways of thinking. Am I wrong? Maybe.
You’re free to think so, but if you want to change my mind on it, you’ll have to explain why. In fact, to disagree with someone, you should be able to explain that to yourself in a way that would convince most people.
And what was I supposed to do? Not explain why I thought your policy and that particular decision was too much in my view? You felt I tried to force something, but how can mere words do that? A user cannot force a moderator to do anything, except by convincing them. So I put my qualms into words. If you took offence, that was entirely unintended.
If you found yourself unable to dismantle my argument… Then I don’t know what to tell you. That’s the feeling you get when someone is trying to change your mind, and you haven’t figured out why they’re wrong yet. And if theyre right, you won’t ever figure it out (unless you opt to delude yourself, which I don’t think you’re the type to do).
I think it is beautiful, but you say it’s obscene?!
And if you do genuinely find it obscene, why would you need to check the danbooru rating? Why do you defer to some random moderator on an image board if you yourself or your users have perfectly functioning senses of judgement?
Your new rules are far more sane, but you needed to be enforcing things like the words “rule of thumb” already meant something from the get-go. When telling users to edit their posts, tell them to do so because YOU think they should, not because some inconsistent third party arbitrarily says so. The former feels like a request to respect your sensibilities. The latter comes off as you being a stickler for pointless technicalities, and is therefore abrasive.
The trouble with art, is that it isn’t objective. Yet you refuse to have a discussion about where the averages of everyone in a group lies. You offload the work of evaluation to a fallible third party in danbooru, and you justify things retroactively with subjective interpretations that don’t even account for artist intent. And you clearly ignore other people voting on the points you and I make.
No you didn’t. You have sent me exactly one DM that was about not being able to ban my lemmy.world alt.
I sent you one message right after the ban. No reply.
I sent you another as you showed you were doubling down on your overreaction, that I wanted my contributions removed. No reply.
You even proceeded to restore content of mine after I sent those two messages about wanting my contributions gone!
At that point I was FUCKING LIVID!!!
No communication, and doing the LITERAL OPPOSITE OF WHAT I WAS ASKING when it came to my contributions.
Except the rules weren’t that EVERY post rated sensitive MUST be tagged. Even back then the wording was “as a rule of thumb”, and you had just yourself explained that a bunch of posts are incorrectly tagged “sensitive” on boorus due to the old “safe” tag.
By asking if I knew whether a far stricter version of the rules you made up on the spot was in effect, you came off like an absolute dick. I thought you were deliberately fucking with me! The image you commented on was in no way NSFW, so the only way I saw to interpret your comment was that you had singled me out because you hated my guts. No shit I chose my words to show I was annoyed and insulted.
Even if your understanding of the situation that I got a annoyed and threw a tantrum was correct, considering I complied immediately both times I realized I was in violation of your rules, that leaves you no valid reason to ban someone for a fucking year!
You made assumptions, and they were WRONG!!!
Now own up to it!
Unless you equate complaining about rules with deliberately breaking them, you have no argument. I wasn’t fibbing when I said I’d always do as a mod asks, but that doesn’t mean I won’t express my dissatisfaction with a nonsensical policy as I do so.
Would you even have checked the image rating if my posting script didn’t conveniently add links to danbooru in all my posts?
Another? That you wanted the Youmu post tagged nsfw surprised me, and I disagreed with your prudishness, so I tried to change your mind after complying with the rules. There was no heightened emotion involved. I was just presenting my problems with how you wanted things to work.
When you commented on the Marisa post, then I got annoyed, I thought you took our earlier discussion personally, and now wanted to get back at me by applying the rules over-zealously. When just pulling the post and going “dude really?” resulted in a 365-day ban, I was SURE you just hated me, and used the slightest excuse available to give me a giant middle finger!
Literally no-one is going to support your actions on this. They simply don’t know about it. I dare you to make and pin an honest post announcing your decision, posting every step in the drama, including this reply, and explaining your reasoning on how my actions are “deliberate” anything.
I didn’t actively choose to post that Marisa image, at that time. I found it and added it (this involves giving it a title, choosing communities to post to, and checking whether it should be tagged nsfw) to the collection my tool randomly posts from, weeks earlier.
Once you commented on it, I deleted the post, expressed annoyance that you’d want such an obviously SFW post tagged just because of its incorrect danbooru rating, and said I wouldn’t post anymore. How the fuck, do you get from that, to any potential rule-breaking I did being deliberate?
Further, how the hell does someone being so fed up with your nonsense policy, they’d rather stop posting, necessitate a ban? I wasn’t gonna post anymore, so the ban literally just PISSED ME THE FUCK OFF. You added insult to injury. How am I supposed to interpret that as anything other than gleeful malice?
Buddy. You don’t even know what a ban does? I can manually visit the community. That’s it. I can’t subscribe, I can’t vote, I can’t comment or post, and I can’t edit or even delete anything.
I have no idea what you’re referring to by my content going missing. I only had time to delete the Marisa post before my ban went live, after that I had to contact the admins to get my stuff removed several weeks later.
Frankly, I’m the one who wants an apology from you! I don’t want you anywhere near something I care about. I have zero trust left in your ability to be a competent moderator of anything, and especially not something I want to participate in.
The only way I’ll give up on making !touhou@lemmy.world irrelevant by replacing it with !touhou@ani.social is if you step down or acknowledge that banning me for an entire year was completely out of line, and that your given reason makes no sense whatsoever.
Otherwise, I’ll just replace you, so I can have a Touhou community I can actually endorse. Eventually.
You don’t need to.
The core point there is that I don’t choose what I post day to day. There was no deliberate action of any kind involved when I made that Marisa post, and I didn’t manually go to danbooru and add a link to it.
Coding it so that it tags every post rated sensitive on danbooru as NSFW will be the easiest thing ever. It just wont make sense, because then posts like this, this, this, and this, will be censored. And even then, for any images that can’t be found on danbooru, the one deciding will still be me, exactly like before. And I still have no idea how in the world anyone would consider the Marisa post NSFW.
If that’s genuinely what you want, I’ll do it. But it WILL raise eyebrows, and guess who I’ll point to when the inevitable “why is this tagged” comments start rolling in. I know they will, because like I wrote in another comment, I actually tried doing that for like a day once, and I got four such comments.
Didn’t receive it:
I have reverse search extension on both phone and pc. I checked it because she was drugged up so much that she had a head pain (judging by hands position and face expression) and tear coming from her eye. Which suggests “Hard or illegal drug use”. Another reason to check your post was the previous interaction with you, where you showed of your “haha moderator” mindset and basically called me a boomer who asks women to dress up and someone who accommodates peoples with “hangups concerning the human body”. It all really seemed like an attempt to push your opinion using labels. I wasn’t insulted by it, but it made a certain impression of you.
This whole discussion kinda proves that they were right.
No. I want you to fight your strong antagonism. After that I will have some hope that you won’t start doing something stupid again and will unban you without any restrictions. I will even be ok if you will continue on ani.social. It will be a bit unfortunate, but, alright. I admit that your last post probably could be handled differently and there were faults in the rules, likely they are still there. Honestly, I don’t think you deserve any apologies, though I’m not asking for any from you too.
Also, in light of most of my DMs apparently being eaten by federation issues, I’ll drop and retract the animosity. I’m sorry about that.
In return, I expect you to acknowledge that I did in fact attempt to reach you cordially.
My criticism of your policies and actions stands, however.
And, I was hardly referring to your assumptions about my charachter, but rather your assumption that my violation of any rules was at any point intentional. Which again, considering I do not actively choose what to post at any given minute, can’t possibly be the case.
And let me explain what I mean when I say that your response was out of line.
As moderators, our task is to enact and enforce rules. But enforcement doesn’t just mean deleting any and all offenders. We want to be as welcoming as possible while still not allowing the rules to be bent significantly out of true.
This means applying logic in our actions, doing things that are likely to modify behavior towards the ideal, so that near-compliance can become compliance, instead of lost activity.
You applied a ban so long, it will be EASIER for me to just supplant your community entirely, rather than wait it out and come back with improved behaviour.
…
I moderate over a dozen communities. You seriously think I have a “Haha moderator” mindset? Again. I wasn’t fibbing that I will unconditionally obey admins and moderators. Even if you made complaining against the rules, I’d comply.
And what you seem to be saying, is that you did take it personally?
That you did in fact allow it to affect your image of me in a way that made you to more rash, less considered, and potentially unfair in taking action against me?
I did not call you anything. I pointed out that your logic has parallel’s with some mysoginistic ways of thinking. Am I wrong? Maybe.
You’re free to think so, but if you want to change my mind on it, you’ll have to explain why. In fact, to disagree with someone, you should be able to explain that to yourself in a way that would convince most people.
And what was I supposed to do? Not explain why I thought your policy and that particular decision was too much in my view? You felt I tried to force something, but how can mere words do that? A user cannot force a moderator to do anything, except by convincing them. So I put my qualms into words. If you took offence, that was entirely unintended.
If you found yourself unable to dismantle my argument… Then I don’t know what to tell you. That’s the feeling you get when someone is trying to change your mind, and you haven’t figured out why they’re wrong yet. And if theyre right, you won’t ever figure it out (unless you opt to delude yourself, which I don’t think you’re the type to do).
Head pain? Drug use?
The artist has depicted complicated emotion, inspired by the song Hello, my friend. It’s right there in the danbooru artist commentary.
I think it is beautiful, but you say it’s obscene?!
And if you do genuinely find it obscene, why would you need to check the danbooru rating? Why do you defer to some random moderator on an image board if you yourself or your users have perfectly functioning senses of judgement?
Your new rules are far more sane, but you needed to be enforcing things like the words “rule of thumb” already meant something from the get-go. When telling users to edit their posts, tell them to do so because YOU think they should, not because some inconsistent third party arbitrarily says so. The former feels like a request to respect your sensibilities. The latter comes off as you being a stickler for pointless technicalities, and is therefore abrasive.
The trouble with art, is that it isn’t objective. Yet you refuse to have a discussion about where the averages of everyone in a group lies. You offload the work of evaluation to a fallible third party in danbooru, and you justify things retroactively with subjective interpretations that don’t even account for artist intent. And you clearly ignore other people voting on the points you and I make.