Stop using plastic bags for the sake of the future of the human race? Pass
Stop using plastic bags to save penny’s? All in
Are you kidding? We couldn’t even get these idiots to not try to kill themselves on the Covid virus. They willingly went out and got themselves on ventilators so they could eat at Applebee’s.
But you see covid was a conspiracy by the government to inject nanobots into you, while also been a virus produced by 5G towers. It’s all perfectly logical.
While also not being dangerous and “just like the flu”
And while we are at it, ban nonbiodegradable filtered cigarettes.
Smoke yo shit whole or dont at all.
Why not just put a birth year on it? No one born after 2010 can buy cigarettes. Ever.
Give it 100 years or so, and we’ll be smoke-free.
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If you follow that logic to its natural conclusion, you should never make anything illegal because it doesn’t work.
Which is obviously going super great for America and its Gun problem.
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The goal of banning a year of birth is to attempt to have your cake and eat it too, with this very problem in mind.
Your born in 2010? You never get to smoke (bar illegally). Born in 09? Sure, go for it. Cancers got you bro.
In new zealand they do the age restriction first and in a few jears a full ban. And i think that they banned it for the jear where the people where still underage. So it is more a way to “soften” the ban
New Zealand is doing exactly this. Other comment is right though, black market will come prepared
When I was smoking I was removing filters. I don’t understand why they are in cigarettes, they remove all the good stuff.
If only companies will avoid committing illegal crimes to avoid paying fines.
I mean, sure, but in a post about users paying for plastic bags, i don’t see the relevance.
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They probably wouldn’t have offered plastic bags for free in the first place, if that wasn’t financially beneficial to them…
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They didnt. Otherwise they would have priced them from the beginning
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What the fuck kind of prices are you guys paying for plastic bags!? At my local grocery store they charge 5 cents for a plastic bag, and the other nearby one gives you recyclable paper bags for free. I thought about this for a bit but at a whole nickel per bag it’s probably not worth profiting off of, or if it is profitable, not enough for anyone to care.
If they’re profiting off this it’s because people can’t be bothered to bring in their own bags, right?
Yeah, which is a generational issue at worst. One guy in my family keeps forgetting his bags and buying new ones, but he also has a mindset where he resists change. The rest of us have gotten into the habit of remembering them, leaving a few in the car, etc.
Kids growing up after the ban are just gonna see it as normal. You go buy groceries? You bring your bags, just like you need to remember to bring your wallet.
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Why can’t something be both for profit and for the environment? Because frankly, after living with a plastic bag ban for years (Canada started the process in 2020), I haven’t seen random nasty plastic bags being blown around on the street. So it’s helped my immediate environment.
I feel we gotta reduce plastic use on all fronts. Yes, individual consumers pollute less than corps, but that doesn’t mean that consumerism as a culture doesn’t produce unnecessary waste. Think about a single store and just how much packaging there is in that one place, and where all of that will ultimately end up.
So like, I’m personally for bringing reusable containers to stores to fill up on things like say, shampoo or milk. Milk delivery was a thing for a long time, so there’s nothing saying our cultural approach to these things can’t or shouldn’t change, especially if it means less waste is generated.
And if reusable containers become a thing, I promise you there will be people whinging that it’s profitable for the groceries that they’re selling bottles that you used to get for free with the soap or whatever.
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So what’s a better solution than reusing grocery bags?
Would reusable grocery bags suddenly be ok if they were free? Because honestly I feel that would just fuel forgetful people’s bad habits.
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Yes. Or they forget.
Now they charge extra for thicker worse for environment bags that most use anyway
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Cheeky bastards
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Environmental campaigners have called on the government to learn from its own successes after official figures showed the use of single-use supermarket plastic bags had fallen 98% since retailers in England began charging for them in 2015.
Annual distribution of plastic carrier bags by seven leading grocery chains plummeted from 7.6bn in 2014 to 133m last year, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) said on Monday.
Rebecca Pow, the minister for environmental quality and resilience, said the policy had “helped to stop billions of single-use carrier bags littering our neighbourhoods or heading to landfill”.
“Both the deposit return scheme and new rules to make plastic producers contribute to clean-up costs, which formed the key planks of the government’s waste strategy, have been delayed until 2025.
“There’s obvious context here, which is that they reannounced the success of the single-use plastic bag ban on the same day that they unveiled a hugely destructive plans for 100 new oil and gas licences.”
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You’re not charged where I live, but reusable bags are so much better. They do not take up space, can be used for so many other things, and they’re prettier if you want.
but reusable bags are so much better
https://www.popsci.com/story/environment/single-use-plastic-misconceptions/
I am not using them for environmental reasons but because they’re better and can be used for a variety of things.
They don’t take up space?
Not really. I just keep 3 or so flat on the bed of my trunk. And a few more in my hall closet if I know I have a big shopping day.
Meanwhile aircraft fly overhead burning jet fuel with no emissions controls. Chinese factory’s have no or little emissions controls. Gulf war oil well fires.
and? God forbid people do something good
yes and no. the good part here is it does something (small) for the environment.
the bad part is that it puts the onus on the average person, whereas a majority of pollution comes from the industry
Hot take: the onus should be on everyone - both industry and people. Single use plastics is a real, very serious issue. It may be relatively small regarding global warming, but it’s not small at all regarding other serious problems we’re making for our planet.
Additionally if no one is buying products from heavy polluters then it doesn’t make sense to burn the fuels. It either requires people to take action and change their buying habits or for governments to tax carbon to both make the environmentally friendly options economically viable to most people and to get companies to reduce emissions so they can stay competitive.
Air travel is more difficult to get environmentally friendly at this time due to the limited options as electric consumer planes are still in the testing and development stage and would struggle with international flights however train travel in Europe can be a solid option over plane travel but from a US perspective air travel is still generally the best way to go as trains are just not the best in the US and a car trip will take longer then both planes and trains and emit more fossil fuels per trip per person.
This is not just an emissions thing. This saves the animals and fish who end up consuming the plastic.
You plebs are STILL using plastic bags?! What the fuck, we got rid of those 10 years ago! Figure it out, England.
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Where are you from?
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Gonna start double bagging everything now. A brick wall gives better information than the guardian.
No worries California is going to save the planet by banning gas powered lawn equipment. If there’s one thing the environment loves, is more batteries and crap that doesn’t last so you have to keep buying new shit.
I just want more public transportation and no investment in future oil and gas projects.
I know we can’t swear off it but expanding is not the answer. It needs to go the way of coal, we need to force ourselves to find an alternative.
I always had electric lawn equipment that plugs into an outlet. Batteries just seem like an extra needless complication.
Yeah I tried going electric. I’m not mowing the lawn with a cord plus I cut a cord using electric hedgers once. Went back to gas and never looked back.
I’m sorry your impatients and ignorance has cost you so much extra money.
It was 2008, they were garbage at the time, and my awesome gas powered lawnmower is still going strong today that I got when I replaced the electric one 2008. But yeah thanks for the compliments.
