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    9 hours ago

    Do you believe everything Trump says? Is he somehow that one politician that’s going to keep his promises no matter how hard they are to implement? Do you believe everything Harris says?

    I’m Polish so I have a good estimate of how this is going to go. Trump is copying Orban / Kaczyński. Dems are copying Tusk who is seen as one to stop illiberal democracy in EU.

    If Dems lose they will say every single thing Trump does is an attack on democracy, even if there are rare instances of a broken clock is right twice a day. Ultimately this will erode trust in politics and public institutions even more. Then once Dems are back at the wheel they will want to remain in power so some of the bad things Trump did but people found okay will suddenly be okay. Been there, done that.

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      “I’m going to shoot you in the face” - Man who can’t stop lying if their life depended on it.

      “I don’t believe you” - Last words of person shot in face.

      shocked pikachu face
      Maybe lets not risk it.

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        Yeah, I was shot by Trump to death twice yesterday. Try to get down go actual issues rather than whatever it is that you’re doing.

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      When someone walks up to you with a gun pointed at your head threatening to end your life. Do you ignore them and carry on as if nothing is happening?

      Doesnt matter if they have no intention of causing harm, the threat needs to be treated as it were real because it absolutely can be real.

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        Nobody is pointing a gun at your head, you’re using an unnecessary and unproductive hyperbole. This kind of escalation is what’s going to erode remaining usefulness of political debate.

        I really hate to be the bearer of bad news. I don’t want any of this to happen. I hope others will learn from our mistakes.

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          The same ccouldve been said for 1933 Germany. There were plenty of people then saying “he doesn’t really mean it. He’s just trying to rile up the masses for votes”. 6 years later they were rolling tanks through your country.

          Dont ever be compilict to someone making threats.

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            Or, maybe, it’s a bit of an overreaction and you don’t live in the ascent of new Nazi Germany but because you’re so hysterical now nobody is going to treat you seriously when actual bad things happen. Also been there, done that. I’m saying this with your best interest in mind because we already made those mistakes.

            Unfortunately US might be fucked due to two party system but the actual solution to your troubles is honest debate. Try to listen to what Trump voters are afraid of. Some of their concerns are probably valid but they have been misled by shrewd politicians. They won’t regain trust by treating them like children. Or nazis.

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                Not every Trump voter is a bigot, I’m certain of that. People have different problems in their life and have to be pragmatic in how they use their voting power. Some have different priorities, some have been misled. What you’re doing is only polarising society and because nobody wants to be wrong it only leads to entrenching in positions which those people might not have held before.

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                  No. Every single trump voter is a bigot. Even if they are the type that votes purely becsuse of the R beside his name. They are compilict.

                  Trump is extremely vocal about his bigotry and if that doesnt convince you he’s not a good leader, then you are in fact a bigot.

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                    You’re doing more harm than good with this attitude but at least you have achieved a moral victory, right? We did that too.