More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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    16 hours ago

    They’re not doing the worst thing. Doing Genocide AND the 2025 Trump agenda is worse.

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      Genocide is the worst thing and should be a red line. Please do your best to not help erase that red line.

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          Unconditional support for genocide cannot be made any more maximalist. There is no BadB to add.

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              The genocide itself cannot be made more maximalist. You mean there is another category.

              I reject that argumentation as well, as genocide should be a red line. You don’t get to come back from that. You cannot put salve on that wound so easily. Look at yourself in the mirror and see if you can withstand it. And if you can, ask yourself why anyone should look to you for solidarity and what you would be doing in Germany 1930, in the US in 1855. Would you be the abolitionist? Would you be the person fighting against fascists? Or would you be the “pragmatist” supporting regulation of slavery, the Whigs, and compromise with monarchists and liberals?

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                The genocide itself cannot be made more maximalist.

                This is so idiotic and completely ahistorical. You’re giving away the game here. Again.

                Please, tell me more about Germany in the 1930s and how, after they murdered the trans folks, and the gays, and then the socialist (yeah, they were pretty high up on the list), the genocide just could not have gotten worse.

                Please, I’d love to hear more.

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                When there aren’t any Palestinians left when Trump gets elected I hope you revisit your opinions and I hope you you can’t look yourself in the mirror. I know it feels great acting morally superior, but your not sacrificing your own life. Your sacrificing others lives for that feeling. It doesn’t hurt you, so you can keep pretending like you’re better than others for “drawing a line” but you’re not the people who are being killed and Trump is saying to finish.

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                  You’re assuming this person is arguing in good faith and doesn’t want this genocide to be kicked up a notch.

                  I mean imagine trying to argue that it’s not possible to do that. I mean read a fucking WW2 history book for fuck sake

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                  When there aren’t any Palestinians left when Trump gets elected I hope you revisit your opinions and I hope you you can’t look yourself in the mirror.

                  The Biden-Harris administration is genociding Palestinians. I am not supporting any genociders. I work against them instead of attempting to support one or the other. I can easily look myself in the mirror, I am satisfied with my work.

                  I know it feels great acting morally superior, but your not sacrificing your own life. Your sacrificing others lives for that feeling.

                  Oh? Tell me more about what I do and what I risk, anonymous internet stranger. You have, presumably, doxxed me. Let’s see the deets.

                  It doesn’t hurt you, so you can keep pretending like you’re better than others for “drawing a line” but you’re not the people who are being killed and Trump is saying to finish.

                  Should I tell this to my Palestinian compatriots that are nothing but contemptuous for those justifying supporting genociders?

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        Question: Is genocide in Xinjiang a red line for you?

        I already know what your answer’s going to be, I’m just asking to highlight what your real goal here is.

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          I do not live in China and cannot do any advocacy related to Xinjiang. Though I will point out that there is not a genocide there. By now you should be able to recognize the differences. The mass killings, the videos, the diaspora, the intense censorship. We could discuss the ridiculous think tank and fake university apparatus that sold that lie with the US State Department, but to be frank, it is disgusting to distract from opposition to the genocide of Palestinians with this lazy attempt at a gotcha. Personally, I think you should apologize.

          I already know what your answer’s going to be, I’m just asking to highlight what your real goal here is.

          My real goal is to advocate against normalization of genocide in the US. I have organized actions and protests to this effect for over a year.

          Do your best to at least not believe your own bullshitting.

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            Okay, so you’re okay with genocide in Xinjiang, just not in Gaza. And your strategy for solving the genocide in Gaza is to let someone come into power who’s even more pro-genocide that the tepid pro-genocide stance of the current Democrats. Dooming millions of innocent people who can’t fight back to a catastrophe beyond even their present catastrophe.

            So you’re okay with certain genocides. And you don’t want strategies that will avoid a huge escalation of the existing genocide in Gaza.

            It honestly doesn’t sound like you’re very anti-genocide.

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              Okay, so you’re okay with genocide in Xinjiang

              This is a lie and I will not respond until it is retracted.

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                You’re right, technically you’re okay with denying the genocide in Xinjiang, the genocide itself must cause some uncomfortable dissonance.

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                  I’m happy to continue this discussion in another thread or via DM, as I would prefer to center Palestinians and their plight and not your interest in finding fictitious hypocrisy. Let me know if you make a thread.

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                    It’s not fictitious. You are a hypocrite and a disingenuous “idealist.” Realists see through you.

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                    Lol. I love the “you got me, so let’s take this discussion into privacy” line. What a joke.