Meta acquired WhatsApp and somehow hasn’t messed it up yet. WhatsApp has always been fairly good with privacy and doesn’t share much with other Meta apps as far as I’m aware.
And it has its own rules and policies for what is shared with other Meta business units.
Google has spell out the same. Just because you provide data like location to one Google service doesn’t automatically mean every other Google service can access it.
And they can’t just change their internal data policies however they like as some of this is governed by legal regulations.
Here’s a a story about how Google is not allowed to share data across business units without user consent, at least in the EU.
and yet the only thing they provide upon a court request is the last time you were online and the date you created your account https://signal.org/bigbrother/
The server doesn’t need to know or keep track of who’s sending a message to deliver it. If you don’t trust signal to not lie to the court about not collecting such metadata, I can’t convince you otherwise. But there’s a merit in designing your system so that such collection is as hard as possible.
Are you’re familiar with how singal’s servers work? Even I can think of a system where all messages are collected in a common pool before being distributed, the actual security researchers that made signal surely thought of something better.
How does FISA make it legal for singal to lie to a court about what information they have? Please enlighten me
I guess that’s right. Although I’m (most likely) not a person of interest for any secret service. But the data could be interesting for marketing and insurance companies.
I don’t think so. Metadata is unencrypted (i.e. your contacts, who sends messages to whom and how often and when).
Messages itself are encrypted.
Am I wrong?
That is what the article is explaining. The contact names and details are encrypted.
https://engineering.fb.com/2024/10/22/security/ipls-privacy-preserving-storage-for-your-whatsapp-contacts/
Perhaps the call times are exposed but it seems it would be difficult or impossible for them to connect this with a human identity.
Use Signal if you have concerns about WhatsApp.
Thanks.
The planned improvements are a good thing. I thought we talked about the status right/ until now.
Also: What does it mean then Meta (the company) isn’t eager to collect this data (anymore)? This doesn’t fit my world view of this company.
Meta acquired WhatsApp and somehow hasn’t messed it up yet. WhatsApp has always been fairly good with privacy and doesn’t share much with other Meta apps as far as I’m aware.
https://www.wired.com/story/whatsapp-facebook-data-share-notification/
Why is u lying?
They don’ want to moderate contents of your convos, it got expensive.
They are still mining the meta data to create cohort groups.
Where is the evidence of Meta mining WhatsApp metadata?
If it is happening, meta has it
Here WhatsApp spells out what it shares with Meta:
https://faq.whatsapp.com/1303762270462331
Whatapps is meta
WhatsApp is a Meta business unit, yes.
And it has its own rules and policies for what is shared with other Meta business units.
Google has spell out the same. Just because you provide data like location to one Google service doesn’t automatically mean every other Google service can access it.
And they can’t just change their internal data policies however they like as some of this is governed by legal regulations.
Here’s a a story about how Google is not allowed to share data across business units without user consent, at least in the EU.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/12/24036312/google-digital-markets-act-services-user-data-opt-out
It uses signal Protocol so it has the same design defect for leaking meta data.
Both know who and when you are talking too. And thats really all the data the security apparatus cares about.
Is that really how it works? I thought signal protocol was about just how the encryption worked, not what is encrypted?
I am not following this.
Content of msg is encrypted and everything within but signal server knows when you talk to your girl becuase the server has to route it.
So anytime you initiate a chat, they know that yall doing something.
This meta data is what the game is all about tho.
and yet the only thing they provide upon a court request is the last time you were online and the date you created your account https://signal.org/bigbrother/
That’s for a generic court. FISA court order would never see a light of day and they would not waste that being exposed to the public.
They have technical capability to collect this meta data, that’s a fact.
We know that that for purpose of this court case they either did not or are under order to not disclose.
If security apparatus want this information, they can get it. Do you really think singal will say know and violate US law?
The server doesn’t need to know or keep track of who’s sending a message to deliver it. If you don’t trust signal to not lie to the court about not collecting such metadata, I can’t convince you otherwise. But there’s a merit in designing your system so that such collection is as hard as possible.
Bad analysis
Server knows each time you engage a person and who you are enaging. This is the meta data thats need for creatijg cohort groups
Also, you dont seemt to under how FISA order would work vis-a-vis regular court proceedings.
Are you’re familiar with how singal’s servers work? Even I can think of a system where all messages are collected in a common pool before being distributed, the actual security researchers that made signal surely thought of something better.
How does FISA make it legal for singal to lie to a court about what information they have? Please enlighten me
I guess that’s right. Although I’m (most likely) not a person of interest for any secret service. But the data could be interesting for marketing and insurance companies.