it is taught in American schools.
did you just learn about the trail of tears?
That’s Canadian, the US doesn’t refer to indigenous Americans as “First Nations”. Native American is still the academic go-to south of the border.
Academic circles have preferred “American Indian” for a couple decades now. You still see “Native American” in lower-level materials (undergraduate and below), though.
It’s mixed at best, there’s no universal consensus for either one in academic circles, especially once you get to international audiences. Of course there’s no universal preference among indigenous people either, so the best bet is not to talk about indigenous peoples as if they’re a monolith and instead use narrower terms for just the groups you’re discussing.
Friend of mine got a degree in Anthropology and spent a good amount of time writing academic paper about US tribes, which required visiting different groups and interviewing them.
He said that while there was a push from academia about 30-40 years ago to refer to indigenous peoples as Native American, he said that has been completely abandoned. The reason being is that the actual Native Americans don’t consider themselves American, nor does Indian describe them as these are Anglo Colonizer words.
When referring to themselves they will either go by the name of their tribe or they say they are Indian, because when they speak English they use English words to describe themselves.
He said that while there was a push from academia about 30-40 years ago to refer to indigenous peoples
Academics don’t care what you call other people. They aren’t pushing anyone to do anything, except perhaps for people in their fields to recognize their novel, useful ideas.
All that matters to the academy is what peers are calling something. And that basically boils down to trends in language and the decisions the editors in chief of a few influential journals and a few influential authors in whatever field. You can say whatever you want. If you submit a paper for publication though they’re probably going to change yours to their own preferred usage.
Yep, cool, I just meant trend, maybe ‘push’ was a poor choice of words.
Also… yikes. The indigenous people were just like "no, no it’s cool, take our land, we’ve been wanting a smaller settlement anyway "
The trail of tears was from Florida to Oklahoma. We “gave” them Oklahoma and it was referred to as indaian territory
Then a few years later we took Oklahoma back from them, lol, and opened up the land runsl. I live in Oklahoma and the trail of tears was drilled into our heads throughout the years in public schools. Are they not teaching it anymore??
Either way we seriously fucked over a bunch of tribes. Seminole, Cherokee etc
They absolutely still teach the Trail of Tears in American schools, I don’t know why everyone still thinks it’s this big coverup.
looks like an older Canadian textbook, not US.
trail of tears is a centerpiece in any section on native American history in US schools.
Yeah having lived in both countries, until recently the US was miles ahead in admitting its wrongs on Indigenous people. Things are starting to change here but I was amazed when I first moved to Canada how few knew the history.
Lol that fails to mention that guns were aimed at them when they “agreed.”
You may want to actually read the book you’re using.
Can you share what book you got this from?
I’m old af and I grew up in the south with most topics whitewashed but I even learned about this in school and it wasn’t sugar coated.
Yeah, my school explicitly said the confederacy was right, should have won, and slavery wasn’t as bad as people say, and they still covered the trail of tears accurately.
Yeah Im with others on this. We were taught this and all the gory details. Same with slavery. We were not sheltered from the reality of any of it.
Just to give you some clarity, in 9th grade our teacher told us a historical account in which a slaveowner punished his slave by literally shitting in his mouth and sewing it shut.
We were made to understand the brutality of slavery.
So clearly you aren’t an American. If you were American you would know about the Trail of Tears. It’s one of the landmark, pivotal chapters in American history that is actually taught: the people who were living here first were brutally repressed and removed from their own land and moved to parts of the country no one wanted, regardless of where the native people were from. So the folks who grew up around swamps on the Florida peninsula were moved to the dry, dusty wastes of Oklahoma. This is all stuff Americans learn.
So why are you posting this? You’re just a dumb fucking troll. Go fight and be a sunflower like the rest of your ilk.
As what a city man might call a redneck… Even my hodunk school taught this.
This was not taught to me in America in good schools in the 80s and 90s. I think it’s just a meme for older people and boomers.
I went to highschool in Utah in the 90s and it was covered pretty well… No glossing over or anything, tho I don’t remember it being in any text book, I just remembered it from regular lecture time in US history class
I learned about it in school in Texas, with all the deaths. You trippin. Go back to hexbear
Yeah, no. We covered this in elementary school, along with Japanese internment. I grew up in a small town of almost exclusively white people, too.
A town with good schools and recently, no doubt. Congrats.
Be as sarcastic as you like, but I’m grateful for my education. We thoroughly covered these types of topics from elementary through high school. These, and many other topics, gave me a small window into other cultures that left me wanting to learn more. It gave me an open minded curiosity about people who were different from me, even though the area was about as homogeneous as it gets. It made me excited for opportunities to go out in new communities and talk to people from different backgrounds.
I find now that I’m older that this type of genuine curiosity about other people pays off in a number of ways. I’m sorry that you don’t seem to have had a similar experience.
I wasn’t being sarcastic at all. I figured you were young. They cover this stuff in schools now. When I was a kid 150 years ago they did not teach this stuff at all.
In Canada, we devote a lot of time discussing how Europe settled the Americas and what happened to the Natives. There are daily announcements from certain school boards acknowledging that we reside on land previously belonging to a certain First Nations group. We still have a way to go in terms of the treatment of our first Nations groups, but it’s become very common knowledge how horrible European settlers were to them.
It’s taught in German schools.
Taught in American schools too.
It wasn’t taught in my UK primary school. I didn’t take GCSE history, so I don’t know if it was taught in secondary school. Probably not, from what I’ve heard from other people the curriculum tends to be pretty Eurocentric.
Settlement of the new world by European migrants and colonialism are the overarching themes.
And I bet it’s because of how important the American genocides were to the concept of Lebensraum.
No it’s because we are taught world history, not just that which relates to our own country.
That’s kinda my point. Nothing is in a vacuum, national history is intrinsically linked to world history, and vice versa. In this case, American atrocities are foundational for an ideology built upon atrocities. It’s good to never forget how it happened. America could use those lessons.
We’re just going to downvote you for this ok. It happens.
Tulsa massacre is a better example of something glossed over in school.
When my wife and I saw Watchmen the series, my wife was blown away when I told her that really happened. Whites literally told blacks to go away and form their own town, so they did and prospered, so the whites came and murdered the prosperous black community, and nobody was punished for any of this.
Literally not even mentioned in school back in the 80s.
So many events like this, shout out to Howard Zinn, A People’s History of the United States.
Wikipedia places the death count at three times the number shown in this ‘meme’ at the low end, 4x at the high end. Also what a bizarre bit of phrasing, it’s literally called “The Trail of Tears” calling it evil is really gliding the lily.
Reminds me of a girl I knew posting on FB, “How come they don’t have changing stations in men’s rooms, huh?!”
LOL my god she got roasted. One guy was like, “You know $Brand you see in the bathroom? They in our bathrooms too and the company is headquartered in Tulsa. Where you’re from.”
And yes, The Trail of Tears was covered in OK classrooms, in the 80s.
I did learn about the Native American genocide in school.
Are there schools where this isn’t taught?
I was taught it in New York, seems odd to omit it from American history. Wouldn’t surprise me if other states didn’t. Education is super politicized here.
It’s not necessarily a topic that comes up every day, but I can’t think of a single time I’ve ever met a person who didn’t know about it. It’s never happened that someone has said “Wait what? What are you talking about?” when the genocide comes up.
NY, I definitely was taught this.
It took me an embarrassing long time to realize every single dipshit on this website that criticizes me “from the left”, is fully just a liberal. Posted up inside of a Democratic enclave in the US, who genuinely does not understand that their experience as an American might be somewhat unusual, or at least not an experience of the majority.
Look beyond your own experiences, and learn something. You twit
You remind me of my garage door, slightly unhinged.
Stop commenting and fix your door.
Did you have something to say about my comment? If so, what is it?
I’m an Uber driver. I spend all day every day having interesting conversations with strangers. How does that compare to the strategies you’ve employed to “look beyond your own experiences”?
Go back to hexbear
It took liberals less than half-a-year to get on board with genocide. It’s no surprise to me that they don’t want to be reminded of the ones closer to home, either.
