“Whether you hate me, like me or are indifferent, do you want the best car, or do you not want the best car?” [Apartheid Manchild] told audiences at an event in November.
Well, for starters I don’t want a car at all. I’d rather use public transit. You know, an actually effective means of reducing emissions.
If I were in the market, yes, I would want the best car. Which is why I’d never buy a Tesla. I’d buy an XPeng or a BYD or the like.
They used fake robots at their latest event. They were secretly controller by humans. Tesla is a scam company.
Source?
https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-robots-remotely-controlled-analyst
You can just use Google, you know
Sources also told Bloomberg that the Optimus robots were reportedly using AI to walk, but relied on assistance from a nearby human to chat.
Looks like the human intervention was for the communication part not the moving around part.
The Muskrat is the reason why I can’t even feel good about anything SpaceX does. Every time they do something to propel space exploration forward, all I can think about is how he and his cronies are going to use it to privatize space for profits.
Every time i hear about SpaceX, I wonder how much further along we’d be if we had proper taxes and gave the money to NASA/ESA. Even if the answer is “about the same” then at least they treat their engineers well.
Every dollar SpaceX spends, NASA gets it done with a fraction of the budget. The James Webb took forever but it was worth it. SpaceX would have trashed it for a tax write off.
And at least NASA is beholden to US citizens instead of shareholders and a sociopath billionaire.
Honestly SpaceX is WAY overrated.
Yes, they have some good engineers, i dont doubt that, but:
They still haven’t been able to replicate what NASA did way back in the 60s with a bunch of rulers, they still haven’t gone beyond low earth orbit.
Their heavy rocket’s best attempt got it empty into an unstable spinning Leo, and thanks to fucking musk it destroyed a launchpad, polluting kilometers around which I’m sure they cleaned up, right?
They’re entire shtick was that they’d be super cheap and they’re fucking expensive, even after everything they have done is basically funded by tax payers.
All that is steered by a lying narcissistic psychopath who now uses his crashing Twitter system to get a dictator elected. The guy is like trump, every second word out of his mouth is a lie. Seriously every project he coined was bullshit, every claim he made was bullshit, none of it happened. Hyperloop, anyone? It killed high speed rail, so yeeeeiii? Tesla’s with rocket engines? Ballistic missiles to transport humans across the globe in 30 minutes? The boring company making tunnels 1000x cheaper? And SpaceX? We will be on Mars in
201620182020202220242026, for sure! They’re still in Leo, which is the (relatively) easy part of getting humans to Mars…ALL of it, bold lies.
So yeah, I honestly think that SpaceX is not really helping space exploration forward. I think it’s 90% bloat aimed at getting as much money for musk as possible
They still haven’t been able to replicate what NASA did way back in the 60s with a bunch of rulers
A bunch of rulers and a LOT of money and industry, courtesy of tax dollars. It was basically a concerted national effort.
I’d say SpaceX is doing great given modern financial constraints for spaceflight.
Getting to Mars is a cover.
Musk is using his fortune, tax dollars, and rich investors to develop the means for the rich to escape the hell they’ve created and/or the mobs of common folk that will surely beat down his, and other wealthy oligarchs, doors when society inevitably flops. That’s why he’s ignoring regulations and laws like they don’t matter to him. When your entire purpose is to help the rich escape their fate, you don’t give a fuck about rules.
He’s an accelerationist with more money than god.
He’s also an ignoramus who will find out the hard way that having more money than God is still not going to get humans to Mars before the middle of this century (at the earliest) and permanent habitation is a pipe dream that won’t even happen by the end of this century.
The alternative needed to be NASA, slow, methodical, maximum safety, maximum consideration, with patents benefiting society instead of a private class of shareholders who see it as just another gift in their portfolio.
Instead, we gave away the future to reckless profiteers, and starved the correct, societal scale project of growing beyond our world that could have provided a sense of common purpose and accomplishment as Mercury and Apollo did, which given we’re at each other’s throats would have been useful.
We won’t get anywhere with people like Musk or any other avarice obsessed profiteer at the wheel, only heartbreak in trusting human lives to them as they cut corners and overpromise their capability.
Blame the Boomers on this one. They got the moon landing as kids and then thought the rest was boring so they cut funding once they made up a large part of Congress in the mid 80s.
FWIW spacex doesn’t actually have a lot of patents for their ships. Patents mean making things public but hold society back for the duration of the patent.
SpaceX treats it’s rocket stuff as trade secrets so countries like China that don’t respect patents can’t use it. However, if someone does figure it out on their own, SpaceX has no protections.
Are you forgetting in your richbad rant that Tesla has open use patents?
Oh right I forgot that this is a circlejerk community. Carry on.
Every time they do something to propel space exploration forward. . .
Musk is trying to build the Dune future, not the Star Trek future
He’s probably thinking more near-term: the Elysium future.
The thing about Elysium is that if they created it with modern tech itd be somewhat trivial for a resistance group to starve out the ones in space at least. Just a recoilless rifle with a targeting computer probably running Linux mounted to the back of a Toyota hilux would be more than enough.
That might work once or twice, but I suspect the rich would just launch their supplies from an island, or from a very large “Green Zone.” But I’m guessing the space station would be very susceptible to sabotage or a suicide attack, or something.
Rich people love their caste systems.
I wish I had a good alternative to Starlink but it works too damn well.
Alien franchise incoming in 3…2…1…
I wonder how much longer it will be until the board of directors of the various companies he’s involved in start a serious revolt and push to get him out of the company?
It won’t happen. Ever since he got ousted from one of his companies he’s structured his companies carefully so he can never be ousted again.
I’ll never buy one, and it’s 66% because of him. The other 34% is the fact Tesla’s are shit quality vehicles. Geico literally refuses to insure the cyber cuck. I didn’t misspell that.
The geico stuff was fake news
The cybertruck is bad enough, there is no spread misinformation that you read on Reddit
I’d buy an XPeng or a BYD or the like.
Well, good for you. Personally I’m not buying an internet connected Chinese car. If a car has the option of spying on you, and potentially be used in a hybrid attack, I’d prefer to get a car from a western manufacturer. And not Tesla either, Musk is too unstable and seems to be influenced by the same powers that has Trump’s ball in a vise.
My current car is an internet connected EV, but it sure isn’t Chinese or a Tesla.
China can spy on me. I feel safer with them having my info than Musk (Or if you really want to get in the weeds, GM or Ford who’s happy to share that info with big insurance and law enforcement)
One is a totalitarian state who could unleash all its might on you if they wish; the other is still subject to rules and regulations despite being corrupt. I’d rather have Ford and GM spying on my information for corporate interest than a state who wants to micromanage every aspect of your life, thank you very much.
Let’s be real…those statements are true of both nations…the only thing that’s different is the propaganda you listen to.
China will use my info to market me more and better cheap shit. The US will use my info in litigation or worse.
If China wants to launch a full scale assault, they could, and they’d win. They’ve got better tech these days and our number the US by like 10 to 1.
I’m less worried about China knocking on my door for political descent than I am of the US these days.
Everything you said is literally the other way around.
Ideally, no spying at all. My car just gets a radio and nothing else. My phone can be a GPS with a plastic piece that is stuffed in the air grill.
As someone living in the United States, China spying on me doesn’t do much. I’m not really a target for them. My data is just sold to the highest bidder, often Facebook or Google to sell me more ads.
If the US government wanted me gone, I’d be gone in 2 days and Fox News and its brainwashed masses would say I deserved it since I never voted for Trump and didn’t sing the pledge of alliance every day. If China wanted me gone, they’ll have to work for it and it’d be front page news that would become an October surprise.
That’s my main two things. As an American, I am impacted by American laws more than China or even Canada’s or Mexico’s laws. If China banned me (which they have and still do, I’m a queer anarchist) I’m not super impacted by it. If America banned me (I’m a queer anarchist, they’ve done it before) I need to go into hiding.
Does America want to kill me? Not intentionally, at least. I don’t think there’s a personal FBI man watching my webcam, seeing me type up the same shitty memes I tell my friends for a quick laugh as we play games. But if America start getting more cult-y with Trump and his ilk, I have to watch my back more than if China suddenly wanted the same body on their doorstep.
To be fair, the egregious provisions of the PATRIOT act which allows unilateral spying by the US government has not been renewed. But on the one hand, there have been cases of law enforcement agencies buying information from data brokers, which companies have sold to. The Chinese government different, they can straight up spy on you and question you at any time.
This thing isn’t something that would personally affect me because here in Europe we have GDPR and the EU is consumer-friendly, but privacy is still I would be concerned of for other parts of the world.
Why the flying fuck would I want a western car spying on me here in China?
As I indicated by using first person singular in my comment, I was talking about me. What car you (second, singular) get is up to you.
While I did write “If a car has the option of spying on you[…]”, I hope my usage of “you” as an informal pronoun was clear. I do realize that I could have used the word “one” instead, or rewritten the sentence entirely. I wrote like I speak, and I unfortunately do not speak like an English professor.
Please remind me, where did you tell me that you live in China?
In the same place you assumed I lived outside of it, I presume.
You’re the one who got mad that I didn’t know that you live in China. You hadn’t told me, or given me any clues. I mean there’s 1.450 billion people who speak English either natively or as second language. 10 million of those live in China. That means there’s a 99.3% chance that a random English speaker doesn’t live in China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population
But do go on, keep staying pissed at me for something you misunderstood. I never said that you (as in you, not one) or anyone else for that matter, should not buy a Chinese EV. I said that I wouldn’t, and gave my reasons why. In the meantime, while you stay pissed, I’ll continue to not own a Chinese EV, maybe while telling my students about what happened in early summer 1989 on Tiananmen Square, and how Winnie the Poo is treating the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
Because some American car company won’t disappear you for having the wrong political opinion.
I mean american aircraft companies wouldn’t that is for sure!
…unless they are boeing!
No, instead they’ll let the government use you to target a bomb because you drive near someone they don’t like.
That has not ever happened (to my knowledge).
This specific one? Not yet. But there is a rather long history of nations, including the USA, using seemingly harmless items to target people for assassination, etc.
And an even longer history of the USA dropping bombs on civilians willy-nilly.
So, people should be more worried about your hypothetical situation than a powerful surveillance state with many millions of dead people in its wake?
Not only spying, these cars are just like all other Chinese products.
Your electronics you used to post this were made in China. Apple’s $1000 phones are made in China. Nintendo consoles are assembled in China, as is Playstation and Xbox. If you used anything you liked in the last ~30 years, China had a hand somewhere in it.
China doesn’t have a magic power to remove all stability from its materials like a shitty alchemist, companies produce cheap bullshit because its cheaper to sell new ones than to fix old ones. It’s not some grand mystery of “MSG-elements” or whatever it will be called in the future. It’s simply that economics cares more about short-term profits than long-term gains. And cheap shitty materials will do that in any country that makes them.
There’s junk from Germany, shit from Spain, and ass from America. Borders don’t inherently change the outcome of a assembly line’s finalized product. I’ve had good paper from America, great pens from China, and nice leather from Italy. But I can also walk to any metropolitan area in each of those countries and find you the cheapest, filmiest bullshit possible within the hour of stepping off that plane, that proudly states “MADE IN $LOCAL_COUNTRY”.
It’s mostly the mentality, not the capability.
My Milwaukee tools were made in China and they are fantastic. Sure, some cheap chinese made stuff is crap but the higher end chinese products are every bit as good japanese or western made now.
Nearly a third of the world’s manufacturing is done in China. That’s good stuff and crap and everything in between. Chinesium exists because of engineering for a price point, and people are cheap.
This here exactly. There’s shit products made in China. There’s brilliant products made in China. It’s just like everything else as per the old adage: YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
If you only want to pay shit product prices, you get shit products. A variant of “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.
“What do you mean, Doc? All the best stuff is made in Japan.”
Say “I don’t know what I’m talking about” without using those words.
Pretty much up until 2020 I was thinking about a Tesla for my first EV. In '22 the time came for a new car and I went with a different EV because Tesla’s quality control has plummeted due to Elon’s reckless leadership.
I never liked Teslas for their lack of things like physical volume knobs for the stereo. In my brutal dictatorship, being an executive, manager, engineer or shareholder at a company that manufactures vehicles that installs touch screens at stations for required crewmembers will be punishable by death by coal power plant. “You have to take your eyes off the road to change the radio station.” Report to your new job working for the power company. As fuel. Get on the conveyor belt, you’ll know when your shift starts.
before i get sued by Elon for not buying Tesla, just wanted to say i was never a potential buyer
Lawsuit filed.
“Fuck off.” /thinks he said something edgy and profound
Friend ran afoul of the Tesla’s Drive-By-Wire. She had her car on automatic drive and it was speeding towards the bumper of another vehicle. She slammed on the brakes, but because the system has to switch from automatic to manual, the brakes didn’t engage for a critical second. So she ended up jamming her car into the rear end of the vehicle in front of her, and her system recorded the event as “human error”, because she was at the wheel when the collision occurred.
Now she’s out several grand in repairs that her insurance won’t cover, because she failed to let Tesla’s autodrive system take responsibility for the collusion by trying to prevent it.
Stories like this are what make me incredibly hesitant to buy a Tesla.
As someone who owns a Tesla, I can attest this isn’t how the brakes work. We’d heard similar rumors to this effect and it was the first thing we tried on the test drive. The brakes are 100% functional 100% of the time, regardless of driving assist.
Even if “full self driving” (quotes intentional, that shit is not fully self driving) did cause an accident, the driver is perfectly capable of avoiding it by braking or taking over steering.
P.s. Fuck Elon Musk
Is that true for all Tesla models though? I was under the impression the newer models had blended braking, which would make this story somewhat plausible.
Blended braking is when it uses the brakes to supplement low regen when the pedal is released.
To the best of my knowledge, which includes a few minutes online trying to prove myself wrong, the brakes on all Tesla models are straight friction - no blending. Regenerative braking only happens when the accelerator is released. The friction brakes alone are sufficient to kick in ABS, so regen isn’t needed to help stop the car.
After giving it some thought, I suspect the car wasn’t stopping fast enough, so the driver took over and just didn’t brake hard enough to prevent the accident (possibly because they were anticipating some amount of assist from regenerative braking). Underestimating how hard to brake is very common and is one of the primary reasons behind adding automatic braking systems.
I hate Tesla as much as the next guy but this sounds very odd.
It’s hard to believe that it’s possible to sell a car in 2024 that doesn’t apply the brakes when you press your foot on the brakes.
Because it’s probably bullshit. Elon Musk is a colossal problem, so people feel justified in whatever lies come to mind.
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The Cybertruck has steer by wire BUT NOT BRAKE BY WIRE. No other Tesla has any such system. The brakes in all Teslas are traditional.
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The question of who pays when you have an accident with autopilot has basically been settled in court: the normal rules of fault apply. If autopilot is at fault, then you’re at fault. If you’re in control, and you’re at fault, then you’re at fault.
The idea that an insurance company says, “Oh, we won’t cover it because you deactivated autopilot” is outright silly. Ignore the autopilot thing for a second. What happens when you rear-end someone? Your insurance covers it based on your coverage, and your premiums probably go up significantly.
The driver was supposed to be in control, of a vehicle with traditional brakes, and hit a car. If they have coverage, it should be handled just as if autopilot weren’t involved at all unless they can prove that Tesla is at fault.
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It does apply brakes. It just takes time for the system to shift over between modes. But when you’re in the middle of a collision, even a moment of latency can be the difference between braking in time and impacting the vehicle ahead of you.
There is no mode switch for brakes. We’ve had ABS and emergency brake assist features in cars for decades. Having a computer actuate the brakes vs a person requires absolutely nothing to change or ‘switch’. Pressure is applied to the hydraulic system manually through the brake pedal or automatically through an electric pump. Both are always in the system at all times.
Some cars have the ability to pre-charge the brake booster to apply more braking force in the event it determines you’re performing a ‘panic stop’. This feature was developed because most people tend to not apply the brakes hard enough in these situations. That is almost certainly what happened here. Not the switch between driving modes.
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Your friend lied to you.
Drive by wire for 4000 pound missiles should not be legal
Isn’t the airbus a380 drive by wire? A 628,000 pound missile?
An A380 has triple redundant systems and a massive crew of people who frequently check all of its systems.
It’s also made by competent people and wasn’t rushed half-completed out the door because of a sociopathic billionaire.
A plane doesn’t have to deal with hitting other planes thanks to traffic collision avoidance systems and air traffic control, Airbus planes are built to a ridiculous degree of safety and redundancy, and commercial pilots are trained to a much, MUCH higher degree and standard than your average car driver. Fly-by-wire aircraft and drive-by-wire vehicles are not even remotely comparable given the surrounding factors a car has to deal with versus an aircraft. There is a reason there have been so few accidents involving Airbus aircraft despite being so heavily computerized, while Teslas regularly get into accidents.
“Traffic. Traffic.”
I love all the different alerts form the various warning systems.
Yes. A missile whose pilot undergoes much more training than the typical car driver.
This comment demonstrates such an incredible level of ignorance of aviation safety culture, road vehicle regulations, and the decline of capitalism that was predicted down to a tee by some fucks that had to lock themselves in their room and think of it with no computers or internet 100 years ago, that all I can even say is:
Lmao
switch from automatic to manual
This had me confused for a second, as these are types of transmissions. Wouldn’t ‘A.I.to human’ driving be a more accurate description?
As other commenters have said, this is just not how the system works. Something was misunderstood or some context was probably lost somewhere. I have driven a new-ish 2021 Model 3 as a daily, and there are basically 2 modes of auto driving. One is autopilot, which is very similar to adaptive cruise control with lane-keep assist in other cars. Then there’s full self-driving, which is supposed to be you entering a destination and your car will take you there with minimal interference. You also need to pay out the wazoo for that FSD functionality. Tesla needs you to be vigilant in both cases, and you’re responsible for a crash in both cases. Now onto the brakes, in either system, when you press the brakes, the car immediately applies brakes. On occasion, it’s taken the automated driving system a second to shut off when I apply the brakes, but I have always felt the brakes immediately kick in. Teslas at the moment do not have brake-by-wire. They have throttle-by-wire (duh, EVs), and steer-by-wire on some of the more recent higher end models. All of them have a hydraulic braking system where your foot on the pedal is immediately converted to braking pressure. Your friend is mistaken, and the crash is their responsibility for not maintaining vigilance. Afaik, very few companies are at self-driving tier 3, which is where the company would be responsible for a crash. Tesla is not there yet.
As other commenters have said, this is just not how the system works.
I’ve got the dashcam footage and I know the driver. She can tell me when she hit the brakes, and she says she had the peddle as far down as it would go. The car didn’t begin decelerating in the same way an analog breaking system would have. That cost her a critical second and resulted in her rear-ending the vehicle in front of her.
All of them have a hydraulic braking system where your foot on the pedal is immediately converted to braking pressure.
Then maybe the breaks were bad. Idk. But she had plenty of lead time (presumably thanks to the super-advanced cruise control or whatever you want to call it) at the beginning of the video. The vehicle simply didn’t stop in time.
Is this why their new robotaxis have no controls? Liability over safety?
The best car
Teslas aren’t even the best electric car. On top of that I would 100% want a Rivian over a cybertruck. Yeah goofy headlights… but better then a wholeass goofy body.
Also Teslas don’t have vehicle to load, which is insanely important.
The cyber truck lost a bet with a wooden fence. Hard to make a vehicle so shitty.
I mean, just get a Lightning instead if you want a truck, at least there’s dealers around and it’s an actual truck.
¿por qué no los dos?
He went from “genius” to “dumbass” when he announced his hyperloop a decade ago, and finally to “someone I have perfect hatred for” in less than a few months given his recent conduct. I don’t want his cars, I don’t want his robots, I don’t want to see his face ever again. He’s a piece of shit. If he died, I’d be in line to piss on his grave.
I’d be in line to shit on his grave.
Hyperloop was just a gambit to kill the train projects in california.
Like that needed help doing.
It’s really annoying that Lemmy seems to have just as much of a boner for Musk news as Reddit.
Unfortunately he is someone who has a cult of personality and a lot of media pull. I wish he would shut the fuck up, it would be a welcome change and very good for him.
When he stops trying to obviously effect elections, I’ll stop paying attention.
Gee, I wonder why that could possibly be the case? Surely it isn’t completely warranted given everything Elon says and does on a worldwide platform, right?
I was considering Starlink
Not anymore
I do want the best car. I am rejecting Tesla as an option mostly on that basis. But it also feels nice to avoid directly giving money to Trickle-Down Elmo.
Trickle-Down Elmo
Lol, that’s a good one
Nah, even if it was the best car, fuck Elon. I’d rather drive a shitbox.
Why wouldn’t you buy a car from this guy? 🤔
All I see every time I see that photo are the old cheesy Toyota ads.
Toyota Hilux are absolute beasts.
There is this video where some TV presenters try to kill one and they leave it submerged in the sea for several hours. Pull it out, clear out the carburettor and it fires back into life.
Hearing the Top Gear trio being referred to as just “some TV presenters” feels weird
Top Gear, they absolutely wrecked that truck and it kept running with some basic repairs and maintenance. Even demolished a building with it on top and got it running again.
At least the toyota guy is lifting his legs and putting some effort into that jump.
For some reason it reminds me of Stuart the Look What I Can Do kid from MADtv. It’s the expression on his face and his half assed effort to jump in the air with like feigned enthusiasm.
OMG now I can’t unsee that.
I remember these ads growing up! Aussie ads are… Different sometimes.
That and because they have the build quality of a 1980s Yugo but the price tag of a brand new Jaguar.
I’m a person that would 100% buy a Tesla if it wasn’t for him.
Politics aside, if Musk wasn’t in charge of Tesla, Tesla would make better cars.
Absolutely. Because Tesla would be focused on staying ahead of the competition instead of making a useless truck, among other things.
(And by “useless truck” I could mean that mobile dumpster or his big rig jokes.)
I’m not sure why you put the big rig in the same loony bin as cybertruck. We need to get diesel out of that industry as well, and Tesla Semi seems to be the most advanced contender and has had great reviews from pilot customers
There are several videos and essays explaining why the Tesla Semi is a non-starter. The basic concept, boiled down into a detail-erasing nutshell, is that it’s too heavy and will always be too heavy. It’s a dead end.
Yes, it’s a bit heavier than a Diesel, reducing the maximum payload. However not all trips are at the maximum weight.
Yes I’ve read “armchair generals” proclaim it’s too heavy to be useful, but I’ve also read reviews from it in actual use where it’s worked really well. What I have NOT read is anything about what percentage of trips that reduced payload weight would affect.
Apparently they have happy pilot customers, enough to plan on mass production and to start building chargers
Edit: fascinating plan to build out zero emissions truck corridors covering most of the us by 2040. We need this to pan out!
- https://cleantechnica.com/2024/03/23/a-rational-approach-for-installing-heavy-duty-electric-truck-charging-hubs/
- https://driveelectric.gov/files/zef-corridor-strategy.pdf
This looks like a great plan to build out a useful charging network relatively quickly, so manufacturers can start ramping up production and sales
I also like that it covers both charging for EV trucks and hydrogen refueling. While I’m not convinced that hydrogen is anything more than oil companies trying to remain relevant, it does have some advantages - let the market decide what mix of technologies works!
They have happy customers for the Cybertruck. Doesn’t make that any less of an idiotic waste of metal.
And Tesla has a long history of “planning” things that never quite come to be. I won’t be holding my breath on any kind of mass rollout of their semi rigs. If it happens, colour me surprised. Until it happens, though (and I mean really happens, not fake events like the recent robotaxi and optimus one), I will cheerfully say that it won’t happen.
Because looking at Musk’s grand pronouncements, the odds are on my side.
It seems like it mostly comes down to the 4680 batteries - is Tesla really scaling up? They should allow facilitate significant cost and weight improvements over older batteries, and there have been promising announcements this year
And even if they did decide to make a useless truck, it probably wouldn’t have five recalls in the first year.
I wanted a Tesla so badly until… well, Musk went crazy, and also very importantly they DON’T HAVE VEHICLE TO LOAD, which is insanely important to me.
