The former White House national security adviser — whom Trump has vowed to hire again if he wins in November — added: “There’s a way to get after this, but we have to win first.”
I’m not a stein fan, and I get the stein bashing because fuck Trump, so I only point this out because using this to bash her is not the most powerful argument you can make,because it’s thin evidence that would never hold up in court… but let’s bash her on actual things, I’m all for that.
if you look up the details, you can easily find: Stein “attended at her own expense to spread a message of peace and diplomacy” and gave a speech in Moscow “in which she criticized the excessive militarism of both Vladimir Putin and U.S. leaders.”
The Senate Intelligence Committee later investigated the trip and found no wrongdoing whatsoever.
Speaking to The Intercept in 2017, she said the notion that it was an “intimate roundtable” was “mythology,” and that Putin and his associates “weren’t at the table for very long.” Stein said that “nobody introduced anybody to anybody” and that she “didn’t hear any words exchanged between English speakers and Russians” due to the lack of a translator.
Stein said that Putin had appeared to make a speech and left immediately after. “Nobody cared to make introductions. This wasn’t intended to be a discussion of any sort,”
Could be all lies, etc. but it’s cheap and not substantial evidence in any way. I mean, a picture at a dinner table doesn’t automatically mean anything, no matter how many strings you use to connect all the pictures in your CSI montage.
It’s stupid if you ignore the context of why people would have a problem with it, Taco. Stein isn’t a world leader, she’s a civilian. There is no good reason for her to be having dinner with Vladimir Putin, the leader of an adversarial country, especially while also accompanied by a known traitor to America and several Russians affiliated with Putin. It’s one thing for world leaders to meet one another, it’s entirely different when it’s a civilian. Especially a civilian whose actions every 4 years just so happen to be beneficial for Putin.
You still haven’t explained why it’s okay for Stein to be having dinner with Michael Flynn and Vladimir Putin.
It’s stupid if you ignore the context of why people would have a problem with it, Taco.
I’m not ignoring any context. It was a picture provided with no context.
The context you’ve now provided “There is no good reason for her to be having dinner with Vladimir Putin,” is stated as if it is a priori, but it’s not.
And that seems to be your whole point: it’s damning because she shouldn’t have been there, because I say it’s damning that she is there. It’s circular. The reality is that because you can’t explain it, it’s suspicious, not damning. And I agree with that. It should raise suspicions. You’re confusing your suspicion with knowing something.
You still haven’t explained why it’s okay for Stein to be having dinner with Michael Flynn and Vladimir Putin.
That’s not how it works. You’re the one claiming something nefarious. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m saying the evidence provided of your claim is “r/conspiracy levels of stupid” as it’s one of their favorite pieces of non-evidence.
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You’re simply not allowed to talk about the congealing mass of neocons and techbros that surround the Democratic Party. Because that might hurt their electoral chances. And winning is literally all that matters, even if it means bringing in the exact same posse of crooks, hawks, and freaks that surrounded Trump during his first four years in office.
FYI, that photo is not as powerful evidence as you think it is.
Okay. Defend it.
I’m not a stein fan, and I get the stein bashing because fuck Trump, so I only point this out because using this to bash her is not the most powerful argument you can make,because it’s thin evidence that would never hold up in court… but let’s bash her on actual things, I’m all for that.
if you look up the details, you can easily find: Stein “attended at her own expense to spread a message of peace and diplomacy” and gave a speech in Moscow “in which she criticized the excessive militarism of both Vladimir Putin and U.S. leaders.”
The Senate Intelligence Committee later investigated the trip and found no wrongdoing whatsoever.
Speaking to The Intercept in 2017, she said the notion that it was an “intimate roundtable” was “mythology,” and that Putin and his associates “weren’t at the table for very long.” Stein said that “nobody introduced anybody to anybody” and that she “didn’t hear any words exchanged between English speakers and Russians” due to the lack of a translator.
Stein said that Putin had appeared to make a speech and left immediately after. “Nobody cared to make introductions. This wasn’t intended to be a discussion of any sort,”
Could be all lies, etc. but it’s cheap and not substantial evidence in any way. I mean, a picture at a dinner table doesn’t automatically mean anything, no matter how many strings you use to connect all the pictures in your CSI montage.
Feel free to back up your point. I’m waiting…
We’re still patiently waiting for your defense.
You really think being photographed with someone is damning evidence? No offense, but that’s /r/conspiracy levels of stupid.
It’s stupid if you ignore the context of why people would have a problem with it, Taco. Stein isn’t a world leader, she’s a civilian. There is no good reason for her to be having dinner with Vladimir Putin, the leader of an adversarial country, especially while also accompanied by a known traitor to America and several Russians affiliated with Putin. It’s one thing for world leaders to meet one another, it’s entirely different when it’s a civilian. Especially a civilian whose actions every 4 years just so happen to be beneficial for Putin.
You still haven’t explained why it’s okay for Stein to be having dinner with Michael Flynn and Vladimir Putin.
I’m not ignoring any context. It was a picture provided with no context.
The context you’ve now provided “There is no good reason for her to be having dinner with Vladimir Putin,” is stated as if it is a priori, but it’s not.
And that seems to be your whole point: it’s damning because she shouldn’t have been there, because I say it’s damning that she is there. It’s circular. The reality is that because you can’t explain it, it’s suspicious, not damning. And I agree with that. It should raise suspicions. You’re confusing your suspicion with knowing something.
That’s not how it works. You’re the one claiming something nefarious. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m saying the evidence provided of your claim is “r/conspiracy levels of stupid” as it’s one of their favorite pieces of non-evidence.
People clap like seals when they see the “Jill Stein was seated with Putin” picture, but lose their fucking minds whenever someone posts
And don’t you dare ask where Kamala’s getting her money.
You’re simply not allowed to talk about the congealing mass of neocons and techbros that surround the Democratic Party. Because that might hurt their electoral chances. And winning is literally all that matters, even if it means bringing in the exact same posse of crooks, hawks, and freaks that surrounded Trump during his first four years in office.
I don’t recognize who that is, so my mind isn’t lost yet