• Redex@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    17
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    28 days ago

    Ok sure, what do you want them to do instead then? 80% of their income is reliant on a tech giant’s grace and is seemingly more and more likely to be cutoff soon. They need to survive somehow, and every monetised service they tried flopped thusfar.

    • doleo@lemmy.one
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      19
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      28 days ago

      How about not have a multi-million-dollar-costing CEO? Seems a bit rich (pun intended) for a supposed non-profit org.

      • LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        28 days ago

        Yeah I’m not defending that but CEO pay only rounds to like 1% of their total expenditures. Developing a browser is expensive.

        • doleo@lemmy.one
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          27 days ago

          only 1%? That’s about on par with a fortune 500 company, which supposedly Mozilla is not.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      28 days ago

      Ideas:

      • directly ask for donations, and actually use those donations to fund browser development
      • build an add-on to pay sites instead of seeing ads - Mozilla could take a cut here
      • push harder on existing, optional add-ons that generate revenue, like their VPN

      But the article here reads like, “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas. Have ads…”

    • rhabarba@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      25
      ·
      28 days ago

      What makes you think that developing a free web browser needs to grant anyone any income?

      • Metz@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        29
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        28 days ago

        Do you think developers don’t have to eat? or pay rent? And donations alone do not cut it.

        • rhabarba@feddit.org
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          24
          ·
          28 days ago

          Being a developer myself (with no ads in his software), I don’t think you understand my point. The software I write in my free time does not pay my bills. That’s why I also have an actual job.

          • Metz@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            25
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            28 days ago

            You are aware that there are full-time developers working at Mozilla, yes? Developing a browser is not a hobby-project that you can pull off with some volunteers in their free time. You need professionals that work on such a giant project with their full attention.

            Developing Firefox is their job. And of course they want to get paid for that (and deserve it). Just like you get paid for your actual job.

            • rhabarba@feddit.org
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              22
              ·
              28 days ago

              (and deserve it)

              Please enlighten me: how do they deserve to be paid for a non-profit product?

              • Metz@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                22
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                28 days ago

                How does someone deserve to be paid for work done? Is that your question?

                Is this some kind of pathetic troll attempt?

                I will not reward that with further attention.

                • rhabarba@feddit.org
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  11
                  ·
                  28 days ago

                  There is exactly no single reason to make this personal. What I meant is that writing a free piece of software does not necessarily have to be paid work. A variety of popular software tools, including a few web browsers, by the way, is written and maintained in the developers’ free time.

                  “Doing stuff” is not the same thing as “doing paid work”.

                  • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    15
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    28 days ago

                    You simply cannot have a project the size of firefox without paid employees, why do you think chromium, webkit and gecko are the only three webengines

                  • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    6
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    28 days ago

                    What’s making it personal?

                    Stop being a sophist, you’ll have more meaningful conversations.

              • abbenm@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                11
                ·
                28 days ago

                Non-profit doesn’t mean that there’s no employees. They’re still organizations that have a cash flow, seek to raise funds, and employ people to serve their mission. Most non-profits have paid employees.