[alt text: an illustration of a person with a head-empty expression on their face, who is saying, “Not letting your cat outside is CRUEL!” Around the person are various gruesome scenes of different cats in distress. From the top and going clockwise, the scenes include: a cat being carried away by a hawk; a cat that is on fire; a dead cat in the road that has been run over by a car; several dead kittens; a cat that is missing an eye and various patches of fur; a cat that is feasting on a songbird; and a cat that is being carried away by a coyote. The person appears to be completely oblivious to these scenes of distress.]

  • BorgDrone@lemmy.one
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    There are many, many, many ways to provide enrichment for a cat without letting them outside

    Sure, I could buy some live mice for her to ‘play’ with, but I don’t want that mess inside my house.

    • coyotino [he/him]@beehaw.orgOP
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      your cat does not need to hunt live animals to be happy and healthy. That’s what cat toys are for. You should be playing with your cat at least 20 minutes a day, if not more. I get that some cats get lazy and don’t want to play for 20 minutes, and I got no judgment for stopping early if your cat is super uninterested. But you gotta at least try every day. That’s just part of responsible cat parenting.

      To @Faydaikin@beehaw.org’s point, I think that if you can’t do that, you shouldn’t adopt a cat.

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        your cat does not need to hunt live animals to be happy and healthy.

        It’s a predator, of course it needs to hunt to be happy.

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          yep. which is why you should play with your cat with toys, which won’t give them disgusting diseases like wild animals will.

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            Nah. She’s this fluffy little murder machine. She needs to sow death and destruction on the local mouse population.

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                i guess, if you enjoy being a menace to your local ecology. Then go off, king.

                The guy mentions “destruction of the local mouse population” and this is your answer? So you think those mice are native? They’d exist if humans weren’t here?

                They are the same issue as cats… They’re only here and only thriving because we accidentally give them too much safety/places to live/food. They would also be invasive.

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                  There are native mice all over the place. Yes, some are introduced/invasive, but there are also plenty of native ones too. If you live in the Americas, here’s the subfamilies they make up:

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_rats_and_mice

                  Mice serve as food for animals like owls, hawks, falcons, snakes, skunks, etc. Cats killing these animals’ prey makes it harder for them to find food.

                  • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.com
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                    Didn’t know that “owls, hawks, falcons, snakes, skunks, etc.” all live inside of buildings.

                • coyotino [he/him]@beehaw.orgOP
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                  you’re fooling yourself if you think that cat is only catching mice. if you let your cat roam outdoors, put a camera on them and marvel at all the creatures they kill while they are “exploring”

                • erin (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  Trolling, intentionally obtuse, or just dumb? Because as we all know, cats never kill anything but pests. Native animals would never become endangered because of domesticated cats. At least put a bell on them or something so they don’t kill the wildlife.

                  • BorgDrone@lemmy.one
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                    That depends entirely on where you live. Cats are pretty much native animals here in Europe.

                    At least put a bell on them or something so they don’t kill the wildlife.

                    Tell me you’ve never owned a cat without telling me you’ve never owned a cat.

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                    You don’t even know where I live. What endangered songbirds? Also: very few cats are actually capable of catching birds. We mostly have jackdaws around here, and they are way too smart to get caught. They like to taunt the cats.