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As a Finn, Finland is highly fucking overrated.
I’m used to see impressive and progressive news about Finland. I know it’s easy to fawn over a place I haven’t been to, but it seems to have its “head screwed on” in terms of governance and quality of life.
Well, yes and no.
I know I would have it worse in a lot of other places, but also, quite a few of the problems I have, I wouldn’t have had, so I wouldn’t have necessarily had it worse. Depends.
I think this whole “happiest country in the world” shit exemplifies some of what I mean. The study was about contentedness. So Finland is a place in which people say they are the least not-miserable. Finnish culture has this sort of “don’t complain” thing in it. I don’t know if it was a common saying in other places, but when I would hurt myself as a kid, the most common phrase to hear was “it can’t hurt if it’s not bleeding”.
Finland has the most complaints about police abuse in the Nordics. More than all the other Nordics complained, about 40million vs like 5. But Finns have a very hard time believing the police actually behave poorly and abuse their power. I have personal experience on this. https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html Quite a lot actually.
I’m happy that I can be rather sure that I don’t have to rob or fight people, as we do have social security, but the bureaucracy around it is ridiculous, needless, expensive, slow, fucked, just absolute garbage.
Essentially the only problems we have is the ones we’ve created ourself, is my point. But then most Finns don’t want to recognise those issues. Which is one of the main issues.
Kiitos, that was insightful. I’ve heard of the “don’t complain” trait before. I think it can lead to painful repression in us as people.
Essentially the only problems we have is the ones we’ve created ourself, is my point. But then most Finns don’t want to recognise those issues. Which **is** one of the main issues.
That does sound like an impossible situation.
Well, you know, we’re not the first to have that problem, and I don’t think the last.
From the article:
However, the Finnish Ministry of Social Affairs and Health said a decision has been made not to take in any patients from Gaza because “Finland does not have the necessary resources to respond to the patient evacuation requests”. The ministry added that, with limited resources, “Finland has decided to prioritise assistance to Ukraine with regard to patient evacuations.”
Seems reasonable to me.
This number includes a list of 109 severely ill and injured children, which the WHO hoped would be treated in EU countries.
Of the 27 member states, so far just seven EU countries have announced that they will accept patients from Gaza — Spain, Belgium, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Romania and Slovakia. Norway has also committed to taking in 20 patients.
The first 16 seriously injured children were evacuated to Spain in July.
If you can not handle 20 children then I will wish you good luck that you may be able to fix your health system.
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Wtf has taking care of injured people for to do with being anti zionist?
How about counties take a number of them equal to the weight of weapons supplied to Israel.
Also include those countries that supplied rockets to Hamas.
From the article:
The Financial Times newspaper reported that, based on WHO figures, over 9,000 patients are in need of urgent treatment as Gaza’s health system has become overwhelmed. This number includes a list of 109 severely ill and injured children, which the WHO hoped would be treated in EU countries.
9000 / 27 = ~334
Meanwhile:
Norway has also committed to taking in 20 patients.
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The first 16 seriously injured children were evacuated to Spain in July.Peanuts.
Nope. The WHO hopes to get the children here, not everyone.
So 109/27 ≈ 4
So 20 and 16 is massive, not peanuts.
Also if splitting it by approx. the countries population it gets even lower. Finland has like 5.6 of ca. 450 million EU inhabitants. So that number goes down to like 100 people.
Finland is claiming that their health system cannot take in a hundred patients? If i was Finnish i would leave immediately and seek refugee, as their system must be at imminent collapse, according to their government.
If i was Finnish i would leave immediately and seek refugee, as their system must be at imminent collapse, according to their government.
I’m Finnish and I know you’re joking, but you’re honestly not missing the truth much.
This place is absolutely overrated. “Happiest country in the world”? No, it isn’t and no such study ever measures Finns Happiness.
I wonder how many of these studies are made by the tourism branch of economy to attract travellers.
Anyways, hope you’re doing fine up there :)
I don’t know if it was a tourism board or whatnot, but I know the misunderstanding there was. The study was about contentedness, not happiness per se, and in Finnish culture, complaining is sort of frowned upon, so basically some interviewers went on the street in several countries, and took down how people said they feel about something. And they ask if a Finnish person is content. And Finns don’t really complain, so… next thing you know the study is being touted as having measured happiness and Finns having topped the list.
Anyways, hope you’re doing fine up there :)
Can’t complain, thanks.
Neoliberal conservative government practices neoliberal conservatism.
They also have an openly racist party in the government. Sannfinländarna, meaning “The true Finns”
Neoliberal conservative = Fascist Adjacent.
There are plenty of countries closer by that can handle this.
It is not surprising that countries in eastern and northern Europe feel the need to focus on refugees from countries on our own continent. It is bad enough that the hundreds of thousands of people that came from MENA during the 2010s are still straining our welfare systems to a degree where it degrades our ability to help both our own citizens and refugees within Europe.
There are plenty of countries closer by that can handle this
The nearby countries are either already doing their part, themselves being attacked by Israel either overtly or covertly, or both.
It is not surprising that countries in eastern and northern Europe feel the need to focus on refugees from countries on our own continent
Sure, xenophobia isn’t SURPRISING at this point. Doesn’t justify it, though.
the hundreds of thousands of people that came from MENA during the 2010s are still straining our welfare systems to a degree where it degrades our ability to help both our own citizens and refugees within Europe.
Pure far right propaganda bullshit. Immigrants are on average a net improvement to the economy of the destination, refugees especially so. The vast majority of people making use of social safety nets are native born.
Sincerely, Dane with no foreign ancestry in at least a dozen generations who’s sick of all the xebophobic demagoguery from the people pretending to speak for him.
The nearby countries are either already doing their part, themselves being attacked by Israel either overtly or covertly, or both.
Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar etc. etc.
Particularly the oil rich countries can easily take in these people instead of pointing fingers at us whilst spending billions on vanity megaprojects.
Sure, xenophobia isn’t SURPRISING at this point.
Not xenophobia, common sense. There are eight million refugees currently displaced from Ukraine. Caring for them has to take priority over refugees from other continents.
Pure far right propaganda bullshit.
The irony is palpable. Here in Sweden it was a left wing government with a social democrat minister of state that finally acknowledged that we had to put an end to the open door policy for refugees.
The vast majority of people making use of social safety nets are native born.
…a slim majority, at least here in Sweden, and the welfare system doesn’t just magically expand because you bring in more people. Housing, infrastructure, hospitals, schools need to be built, teachers, doctors, nurses, police officers need to be educated etc. etc.
…and unlike work immigrants, who tend to already be educated and have a productive job lined up, the MENA refugees that came during the 2010s first needed education (both language and qualifications) in order to have a chance in a job market where low-skill jobs had been eliminated. Perhaps the most horrible failure of the left wing in Sweden is how poorly these people have been integrated into the jobs market under their leadership.
Currently (2023), some 40% of all unemployed people in Sweden are of extra-european origin (vs 10% in 2000), with ~1/4 people of African origin and ~1/5 people of Asian origin relying on unemployment subsidies (compared to 1/13 for the general population or 1/20 for natives).
Not xenophobia, common sense.
Ah, a Nordic neighbour. I can recognise the “no my racism isn’t racism and I know better than you” attitude. Very prevalent here, very normal.
People with your attitude are a direct cause for segregated neighborhoods, kids as contract killers and literally explosive gang violence.
It must be possible to have a discussion regarding what is reasonable without immediately jumping to “any criticism of immigration policy is racism!”
With “my attitude”? Do elaborate. What is this attitude of mine that is DIRECTLY causing children to be contract killers? I doubt that you can.
