She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.

Harris also managed what neither Joe Biden nor Hillary Clinton nor any of the 2016 Republicans managed to do which is successfully bait Donald Trump and get under his skin. Within a few minutes Trump was visibly angry and not in a way that empowered him but in a way that made him lose focus, go down rabbit holes and generally go off onto damaging tangents. Spittle anger, not righteous anger, shall we say.

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    I’m still stuck on this thing about how undocumented immigrants are coming to America to eat dogs and cats, but in the process are being forcibly sent to American Prisons which are actually a front for experimental sex changing drugs creating a squad of latinas-who-used-to-be-latinos with the goal of sending them to dominate women’s sports, and the existence of transpeople like myself are an elaborate hoax to manufacture consent for this program.

    Do I understand that correctly, that is actually what Donald Trump unironically believes?

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      “THEY’RE EATING THE DOGS!” is quickly becoming a thing in my house. That’s how my daughter greeted me after school today

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      Don’t forget that the immigrants are coming from insane asylums, and are not legal immigrants seeking asylum.

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        It’s hilarious, he obviously literally does not know the difference between “insane asylum” and “seeking asylum”. He’s so goddamn stupid he thinks they’re the same word.

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          Goddamn, I wish a moderator had called him out on that one. I didn’t realize he was referencing asylum seekers, and the humiliation as they explain it slowly to him would be wonderful.

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      If the last person who talked to him was Stephen Miller, it probably is. To paraphrase George Burns, putting an idea into his head is like putting a basketball into a thimble.

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        putting an idea into his head is like putting a basketball into a thimble.

        I’m so going to steal this expression!

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      He doesn’t believe anything he says. He doesn’t even hear himself. He’s like a poorly trained LLM at this point. It’s become so over tuned it’s only spews nonsense with conviction

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        He doesn’t believe anything he says.

        Trump has often bragged about how good he is at deceiving people. Anyone who thinks Traitorapist Trump believes his own shit has been Trumped.

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      Man, I’d hate to sneak into the US just to chill and chow down on some cats, just to end up winning gold medals in woman’s sports

      Would be super annoyed

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      All Trump proved is that he is the social media-addicted racist uncle everyone has in their family. That is what he demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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    I’m not American, but that was fun to watch. I had my popcorn and everything. It felt like I’m watching Cartman debate Wendy or something.

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    He says he won and his supporters believe it. That’s all they need. Doesn’t matter if he was dominated or not.

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      Trump and his followers are truth proclaimers, not truth seekers. They believe truth is dictated by consensus, volume, devotion, etc because that’s what their religion and their narcissistic delusions teach them. Everyone else knows that truth is something to be analyzed and determined, not proclaimed.

      So in general, yeah it’s a waste of time paying attention to what their reaction is. They’re a predictable bunch.

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        They believe truth is dictated by consensus, volume, devotion, etc because that’s what their religion and their narcissistic delusions teach them. Everyone else knows that truth is something to be analyzed and determined, not proclaimed.

        It’s the same old shit the Nazis did.

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      I don’t think you can use a racist cult as a measuring stick. Of course it doesn’t matter to them, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter at all.

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        He didn’t say it didn’t matter, he said it’s a waste of time worrying about their reactions. Which in a sense, is true, considering how predictable those reasons always are.

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      But it also reassures anyone hesitant about her ability to hold her own as a leader. Her real job was not coming off as a political hack from a desperate party. And instead she played him like a concert fucking pianist.

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        Just like for almost 4 years the American ppl have been played like “a concert fucking pianist”?

        See ya at the pump. Or the grocery store. Or living behind a 7 Eleven because housing prices are out of control.

        Look at the deeds, not the words. She is part of the current administration and cannot run from her track record.

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          Current admin has accomplished more towards my political priorities than any republican candidate ever has or ever will.

          We get it, whatever single issue you’re hung up on means you hate Harris. Whatever. Be an adult.

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      This isn’t accurate. They may not change their vote, but this hurt them. This further proved that Trump is demented, bumbling, and easy to manipulate.

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      In a triage situation, you focus on those who are most likely to survive given the resources available. You can’t fix extremists so focus on the ones you can save instead.

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      Keep in mind, Blue MAGA here tried to claim Biden won his debate.

      It’s obligatory for those on a team to claim they win. If you were voting for Harris before the debate, you are still voting for Harris after the debate. If you were voting for Trump, there is almost no chance that changed based on this debate.

      If you are on the right and not voting for Trump this election, you probably aren’t voting. Cheney isn’t bringing votes to the Democrats.

      The votes left to get (amongst registered) are leftists who are still struggling to vote for a candidate who supports a genocide. You won’t get them abusing them with the idea that they need to sacrifice their morals for a candidate. Only the candidate can get those voters, and they can only do so with a policy shift. It’s probably about 2.5 to 5 percent of registered Democrats s in this bucket. More than enough to make or break the Harris candidacy.

      https://www.mapresearch.org/democracy-maps/voter_registration_deadlines

      The only other option for more votes is to create more registered voters (link above). So we’re very rapidly coming up to the point where neither the Harris or Trump campaign can j crease their vote share in the critical states that are going to decide this election.

      Using the relatively well established rule of about 2 weeks for information to filter through the news and to emerge in polling, and the consideration that the voter registration deadline is coming up, that we should expect a policy shift from Harris around October 12th -16th. This is simply because there really aren’t any more votes for the campaign to get once the registration deadlines begin to pass.

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        I’ve never heard anyone claiming that Biden won his debate. I’ve heard some say it was survivable, which it was not. Having watched both debates, I think it’s pretty safe to say that Biden lost his and Harris won hers. Both with rather big margins.

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          I mean, their claims were happening here, live. See the past mega threads. There really is no reason to cite ignorance for something so easily verifiable.

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        The votes left to get (amongst registered) are leftists who are still struggling to vote for a candidate who supports a genocide.

        I can’t tell if you’re being genuine and clueless or malicious.

        Let’s assume you’re the former first. WaPo did a pretty cool piece with undecided swing voters during the debate. It resulted in a small but significant shift left. You can check it out here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/presidential-debate-voter-poll/

        Unfortunately, I’m going to assume the latter. To quote Kamala, “This is the same tired old playbook” the Russian troll farms trotted out when Biden was in the race. I’m not sure if you’re one of those that fell for it or if you’re a troll yourself, but it’s not working anymore. If Trump were in office, he’d gleefully tell Netanyahu to bomb Palestine out of existence. If this is going to be a talking point, at least discuss it in good faith.

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    And yet, none of it will matter because anyone who had even been considering voting for the racist cheeto is infinitely entrenched and bound by their own logic.

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      Indeed, and note that Harris didn’t even attempt to go after his voters. The target is the middle and the squishy left, a reminder of what the stakes are in this election. She made it clear he was a petulant child, only caring about himself and the things important to him, and invited voters who want someone who doesn’t just care about themselves to come out and vote for her.

      Hopefully it’s effective, because Trump has Project 2025 ready to go, despite his lies saying he knows nothing about it.

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      She seemed nervous with the first one or two questions, but the longer it went on the stronger she looked. Classy and professional was one way I heard her described. He was his usual self. Some memorable lines:

      Don: “they’re eating pets” … “I have the concept of a plan…” Kam: “…he (Putin) would eat you for lunch…”

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        The way she laughed at the remark about eating cats and dogs, was exactly my reaction. Glorious!

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        He all but broke down crying at points. I gotta get a soundboard clip of “it’s DYING David!” after like the fourth time he diverted and lied about immigration.

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      In the way Biden shit the bed she didn’t, which is to say Trump was and remains his own liability.

      She just needed to respond to his bullshit like a sane human, and she did. She was nervous and you could see her reverting to “this is what I practiced” words a few times but frankly she only needed to not shit her adult diaper to win.

      She did sieze a few moments to really push the dagger in, she did what Biden ought to have been able to do. Did she distinguish herself? Nope. Not to me EXCEPT relative to how the political discourse has been the last few years.

      She’s still the same candidate I chose Bernie over.

      BUT juxtaposed to Biden and Trump she’s a fresh of breath air.

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      Yes. She handled him calmly, rationally, got in a few good shots, and kept him on defense. I don’t think there was one stumble, or moment she appeared weak against his bullying. She was actually the one playing him for once, and he shit the bed.

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    That whole debate felt like an SNL skit. Had to put down my knitting to pick up my jaw off the floor. Absolutely insane. Harris did great.

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    Right off starts with BS.

    She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.

    Lol, that’s not things work! What a stupid narrative… Trump knew exactly what he was doing by walking straight to his podium. He didn’t even meet her halfway. He made her have to come over to him. That! is the power move. Making her have to come to him. THAT is what shows dominance. Harris displays no dominance and is going to appear weak to other world leaders, which will make America look weak.

    She was never in charge. And she reaked of subservience.

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      She met him at his podium as soon as he made it because she walks twice as fast, as him, and he looked completely taken off guard by the completely normal interaction.

      If you think that was a “power move” for him, you’re pretty desperate for Trump…

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        It would be a power if anyone would have done that. I think the nuances of power dynamics isn’t going to be well understood here. Very low T around here.