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      2 months ago

      really? but wouldn’t the fact that they have those powers make them mutants by default? I’m not well versed in the x-men universe.

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        I’m not well versed either but mutants have the X gene while powered humans in general wouldn’t. Remember it’s marvel so there’s Spiderman, ironman, Hawkeye for examples of heros stronger than your average human who don’t have the X gene. Interestingly enough mutants are always seen as lesser while non mutant heros are usually celebrated (unless it’s one of the grim dark comics).

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            Yea they all belong together and have plenty of comics where they interact, funnily enough it’s real world BS that kept them separate for the longest. Iirc fox owned the right to use xmen in media while a couple other companies owned the rights of various other heroes and mutants and marvel stuff.

            It’s all sorta consolidated now with Disney and Sony has been playing niceish with Spiderman for a couple years now too.

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        mutants in the marvelverse involes those born into one due to the X gene. people who had gained powers through a mutation are seperately called mutates, which dont face discrimination like mutants do. mutate examples are spiderman, thr hulks, fantastic four.

        basically mutants are being discriminated because of their x gene and not their powers ironically.

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        Mutants are humans that are born that way, all the others are made in one way or another. Pretty much all Marvel superheroes that don’t originate from X-Men are not mutants.

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        but wouldn’t the fact that they have those powers make them mutants by default?

        Setting aside the Hulk-style “I got super strength instead of terminal cancer” heroes, a bunch are just Batman retreads. Super-Ninjas, Super-Geniuses, Super-Rich Guys. Marvel has a rich cast of people who are either amped up professional athletes or people with enough money to buy super-herodom.

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        There is no “X-Men universe” really, there’s just the Marvel universe / multiverse.

        The X-Men regularly interact with Spider Man, Thor, Captain Marvel, Daredevil, Captain America, Luke Cage, etc. Those guys are humans who got their powers from a method other than mutation.

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          A method other than the X-gene. Spider-Man, Daredevil, Cap, and Luke Cage are all mutated humans. Possibly Thor, too, depending on whether you’re going with the god or sufficiently advanced alien/precursor/whatever origin.

          I don’t think Captain Marvel has a genetic basis though.

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            What makes you think they’re mutated? There’s a hint of mutation in the Spider Man origin story, as it’s a radioactive spider, and radiation is associated with mutation. But, the rest of them get their powers in non-mutation-related ways.

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              Among many other things, like the Clone Saga clones having his powers, a Sentinel straight up scans Peter Parker and mistakes him for a mutant because his DNA has literal spider genes in it now. That’s just Spidey canon.

              Same with Super-soldier Serum that gave Rogers his power, it was a genetic modification and, eventually, the same is true of Weapon VI aka Luke Cage (Weapons Plus being a descendant program, he received a modified version of the Serum)

              In Marvel comics there’s generally a distinction between “mutants” and “mutates.” A mutant got their powers from birth, typically from the X-gene, a mutate had something happen to them, but that’s not a real scientific distinction. They’ve all been mutated. It’s just in-universe discrimination and is often specifically portrayed as such. Like all discrimination, the distinction is quite often arbitrary and unjustified.