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        Hardly. Infanticide being illegal doesn’t compromise the body autonomy of anyone, but abortion being illegal, does.

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      Foetus are pretty conscious. They kick about in the womb among other things. Saw an ultrasound of an abortion and the poor thing was trying to resist ☹️

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        By your logic, any moving animal is conscious and aware?

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          Yes? Animals are conscious and aware of their surroundings

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            You remember being in the womb then? Or being a sperm? Those move, you know.

            Bacteria move, but I don’t think you can argue they have minds capable of suffering. Your body would be doing a lot of murder every second of every day in that case. What about insects? Do you consider ants and mosquitos conscious? Should they be protected by animal rights laws?

            For a lot of the duration of a pregnancy, a fetus is not composed of enough cells to be much different.

            The body autonomy, let alone the health of a woman should not be compromised to “protect” a life that isn’t a life yet.

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              I don’t remember being 1 or 2 years old. You saying it’s okay to murder me as long as I don’t remember it when I’m older or something? 🤣

              The difference between a foetus and bacteria or ants, is that a foetus is human. Bacteria and ants aren’t. I cannot believe we’ve stooped to this level of immorality.

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                You saying it’s okay to murder me as long as I don’t remember it when I’m older or something?

                One could make that point, but no.

                Infanticide being a crime does not compromise the body autonomy or health of another conscious human. Criminalizing abortion, does.

                The difference between a foetus and bacteria or ants, is that a foetus is human. Bacteria and ants aren’t.

                This is a false distinction. Why is human life more important than other life? What elevates a small collection of human cells above an equivalent number of insect cells?

                I cannot believe we’ve stooped to this level of immorality.

                I could say the same. This sentence serves no purpose, and will convince absolutely no-one that your sense of ethics is more developed than mine.

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                  Abortion isn’t “bodily autonomy” Your body doesn’t automatically have a miscarriage on a whim. It’s inserting an instrument into a woman’s body and destroying another person who’s in there. Human life is more valuable than human life. We literally eat animals. Again, the fact I have to explain to someone that killing another person because you don’t want to face up to the consequences of your actions, and no, killing a person isn’t the same as killing an animal, shows how far we’ve regressed.

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                    You have no idea what you’re talking about.

                    A collection of sells that may or may not even have formed neurons yet, is not a person

                    consequences of your actions

                    And there it is. You want women to be punished for the crime of having sex. Or being raped. Or having a condom break. Whatever.

                    You’re a misogynist asshole with no argument.

                    Human life is more valuable than human life.

                    I think you meant to claim that undeveloped fetuses have more rights than women.

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                    Also, look up what body autonomy means. It doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.