The Signal Server repository hasn’t been updated since April 2020. There are a bunch of links about this here but I found this thread the most interesting.

To me, this is unforgivable behaviour. Signal always positioned themselves as “open source”, and the Server itself is under the best license for server software (AGPLv3 – which raises questions about the legality of this situation).

Signal’s whole approach to open source has constantly been underwhelming to say the least. Their budget-Apple attitude (secrecy, i.e. “we can never engage the community directly”, “we will never merge/accept PRs”, etc) has lead to its logical conclusion here, I guess. I have been somewhat of a “Signal apologist” thus far (I almost always defend them & I think a lot of criticism they get it very unfair) but yeah I’m over Signal now.

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    Wire was pretty good, true. I used it a bit, but chose Signal because Wire (similarly to Matrix, for now) doesn’t encrypt any/most metadata, whereas Signal encrypts everything and always has.

    And like you said, it’s since been sold to an advertising company. Not sure if that’d even be possible with Signal since it’s owned by a non-profit (admittedly not always the case, I guess it could have been possible when they were still OWS).

    In both cases, their centralised nature means changing ownership can be devastating (like in the case of Wire). This is why I believe Matrix is the future. Its community is much healthier and active in the development of the ecosystem (3rd party clients, bridges, they actually accept PRs, etc…)

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        FluffyChat is a decent alternative client (with E2EE support). If you don’t need e2ee there’s actually a healthy number of clients, and some of them do seem to have it on their roadmap

        https://matrix.org/clients/

        Point taken on server implementations though

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        I have a lot of thoughts about this but don’t really have the time to reply.

        All I’ll say is that I hope you’re following Element’s progress with Dendrite closely. I host my own Dendrite server and it is much more reasonable in terms of resource usage versus Synapse, and it hasn’t even had any resource optimisation features implemented yet.

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          While Dendrite is better in many ways, AFAIK it does not solve the fundamental architectural problem of immutable and permanent history room metadata. As a result of that, database storage use is growing indefinitely (easily into the hundreds of gigabytes) and there is no real solution to that anywhere in sight. In addition I think it also is a massive privacy issue, as this immutable and permanent history room state data is synchronized across any server that has a member joining a chat. Yes I am aware that this is a “feature” of matrix, but IMHO a really bad one and resilient federated rooms can also be implemented in different, less over-engineered ways.

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            massive privacy issue, as this immutable and permanent history room state data is synchronized across any server that has a member joining

            This is terrible.

            Matrix evolved evolved in a very messy way, starting without encryption and hacking it in later on, and now it’s even trying to become P2P. I expect more serious privacy-breaching “features” to come out over time.

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              Not really, that was a feature that was there from the very beginning and Matrix also openly advertised this. The problem mainly comes from people projecting their wishes onto them and the Matrix team (for commercial interests/ego I guess) not vehemently denying that privacy is mostly an afterthought in the system’s design.

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        That pretty much sums it up. Matrix isn’t bad, but basically over-hyped and reinvents the wheel for most stuff.

        As for sealed-sender in Signal: That is in theory a good idea (and should be implemented in XMPP at some point), but in a walled garden with a single server it is snake-oil as the central server can still easily correlate sender based on other metadata.

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      Not only sold, I used to report bugs to Wire by e-mail and GitHub before of the change.

      One day, they just sent me an automated message in which they said they would not going to provide support to the personal edition at all during a time because of the lack of staff while providing support to the business edition.

      It passed more than a year and was maintained, I don’t know today but I expect the same.

      Edited: I don’t know why I put Signal instead of Wire jajajajajajajaja.