• Nobody@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    The only chance for healthcare reform is to preserve democracy. If Trump wins and legalizes ballot stuffing, state legislatures overturning voters, etc. we won’t have a real election again for a very long time.

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      The only chance for healthcare reform is to preserve democracy.

      You can’t preserve something you never had to start off with.

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        Doomerism gets you nowhere.

        Voting for the 70% Hitler instead of the 100% Hitler is the right move, not because it will save you or solve any of your problems, but because it gives you time, to create solutions.

        Rich fucks won’t save you. Community and cooperation might. But those need time.

        So vote for the least fascistic fascist available, and use the time to find solutions.

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          Voting for the 70% Hitler instead of the 100% Hitler

          Fine and dandy - choose the least worst-seeming option. I didn’t tell you who to vote for - what I’m telling you is that irregardless of who wins in November, people are going to have to start coming to grips with the fact that “liberal democracy” hasn’t turned out to be very democratic. If it did, this mess wouldn’t have been able to exist in the first place.

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        Will electing an authoritarian promising ethnic clensing and codified class systems to further harm the poor and middle class create a democracy?

        No!?

        I’M SHOCKED!!!

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          Will electing an authoritarian promising ethnic clensing and codified class systems to further harm the poor and middle class create a democracy?

          Good… I’m glad somebody is willing to admit that we don’t actually get to exist within democratic societies. It’s a start - it’s very difficult to do something about a problem when nobody will even admit to the problem existing.

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        No, it’s just factually correct. You can whine about it all you want, but Republicans would rather personally strangle your first born than give people even a government insurance plan.

        If that offends you, you’re either dumb or uninformed or both.

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          Democrats finally did something decent and had Biden drop out for a better suited candidate and you’re all still bitching instead of focusingon trying to beat a literal fascist.

          If Biden was still the democratic candidate then this post would make sense. But to post this right now, right after a lot of us got what we wanted from the democratic party, makes me question if OP is even acting in good faith and is not trying to erode support. Might want to look in the mirror bud 👇

          If that offends you, you’re either dumb or uninformed or both.

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            If you think I won’t vote for Harris, you are truly stupid.

            Stop thinking in tribalism, you fool. Someone can be better than someone else yet still have much room to grow. The fact you fail to understand that basic fact of life is actually pathetic.

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        Agreed. We should report it to the community’s sole mod, the person who posted it.

        Kinda getting skeptical this community is going to be about progressive politics rather than just complaining about Democrats.

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          Yeah, that’s the vibe I’m getting from this post. Not about being “self aware” as some other dufus said, but rather to erode support for the democratic party right before an election.