• Pons_Aelius
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    8211 months ago

    Why?

    Everything successful fb has done in more than a decade is copying or acquiring competitors.

    Zuck has spent a few years setting $36,000,000,000 on fire building secondlife2, that nobody wants. The stock is down 25% in the last 2 years.

    facebook is like google, both are advertising companies at their core. They both leveraged one idea to serve adds really well and have failed to produce anything new in house since.

    • @master5o1@lemmy.nz
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      2911 months ago

      Calling it verified is the only problem for a paid service. Name it Premium, +, anything else that implies a value added experience. But pay for verification is stupid.

      • @docious@sh.itjust.works
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        2111 months ago

        Thank you. The verified word is the sticking point. If you’re not honest, people won’t believe you – oddly enough.

    • @masterspace@lemmy.ca
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      Why?

      Everything successful fb has done in more than a decade is copying or acquiring competitors.

      Fair and accurate.

      Zuck has spent a few years setting $36,000,000,000 on fire building secondlife2, that nobody wants.

      Despite everyone wanting them to fail, this is inaccurate. They’ve sold as much Quest hardware as Microsoft sells Xboxes in the same time period, and those cost figures include hardware, and ALL their VR software, across multiple different games and apps. They did not spend that much on Horizon Worlds which is their failed second life clone.

      facebook is like google, both are advertising companies at their core. They both leveraged one idea to serve adds really well and have failed to produce anything new in house since.

      Again, fair and accurate, though missing the mechanism for how this occurs. Because they’re advertising companies, they’re great at tracking users and prioritizing market research. This is what makes them great at copying stuff, because they’re very very good at using market research and user data to determine which are the features actually worth copying.

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        1211 months ago

        Despite everyone wanting them to fail, this is inaccurate. They’ve sold as much Quest hardware as Microsoft sells Xboxes in the same time period, and those cost figures include hardware, and ALL their VR software, across multiple different games and apps. They did not spend that much on Horizon Worlds which is their failed second life clone.

        Neither Microsoft or Facebook are making relevant money from hardware. All of those headsets (like all those xboxes) have only one purpose: selling software, which the platform owner takes a cut from.

        Incidentally: from 2021 to 2022 reality labs both sold less hardware and less software, while growing their costs, probably due to research and development and preproduction for both Quest Pro - which is cancelled already - and Quest 3. Let’s wait and see, what Quest 3 is getting Facebook, but currently reality labs is failing, no matter how much I personally want them to, as well.

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          Neither Microsoft or Facebook are making relevant money from hardware. All of those headsets (like all those xboxes) have only one purpose: selling software, which the platform owner takes a cut from.

          Except that the main point I’m refuting isn’t whether or not they’re profitable, but whether or not people want them. The hardware sales clearly show that they are desired products.

          From a profit and loss standpoint they may be failing, or they may just still be early days of investment and expected operating at a loss. Xbox lost Microsoft money for years before it made them any real money. It doesn’t hurt to diversify your revenue sources.

  • DarkMatterStyx
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    2811 months ago

    Until they both lose money and users measurably from these changes, they will copy one another to chase every last cent.

  • @gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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    2111 months ago

    Elon managing to collect monthly fee for basically a jpeg, is definitely not worst of his business moves.

    • @Risk@lemmy.world
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      2311 months ago

      I dunno, it delegitimised the usefulness of Twitter somewhat. Now you can’t be certain that the NASA account that announces an apocalyptic asteroid is real or not.

      • @gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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        711 months ago

        Long term effects are really of no concern for modern CEOs, that’s not exclusive to Elon that is modus operandi.

      • @why_rob_y@lemmy.world
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        I don’t really use Twitter ever, so I’m not 100% sure, but isn’t that what the colored checkmarks are for? Like he started charging for the blue checkmark, but then added gold and gray (and maybe others I don’t know about?) for marking official organizations/companies.

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    are tech companies doing this now-paid-but-was-free-for-a-long-time service because they know their company is failing (or soon to fail), so they are trying to accumulate as much money as they can before sh*t hits the fan?

    • @Calcium5332@lemmy.world
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      A lot of social media companies aren’t profitable, but they didn’t care because of cheap loans and lots of investors. Now that loans are more ecpensive and investors want AI, social media companies are realizing, “We need to make money, or investors will hate us”, and are locking things down. Twitter, Reddit, Youtube, and Tumblr are some of the examples we see. All trying to push subscriptions or block adblockers.

    • Tomassci
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      I am not an economist, but I have an idea that this is because the alternatives have done that too, and since this renders the point of moving invalid, they might as well also introduce the same stuff

  • @soulifix@lemmy.world
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    1211 months ago

    Does anyone remember being around people, when you were a kid, that awarded you behavioral stickers that are holographic and had various shapes like stars or animals?

    This is exactly what this stupid verification thing is about. OoOOOoO, I’m so special that I got a fucking checkmark next to my name and I actually spend money that could’ve gone to something else worthwhile just to keep it! /s

    I feel like we’re in a world where all of these companies are fronted by childish adults that treat all of their userbases like these kinds of kids. But they pretend that they’re adults because they do business things.

  • @Saneless@sh.itjust.works
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    1111 months ago

    For the same price as an entire TV subscription where you can watch hundreds of shows and movies, all month if you’d like, would you like to have a few pixels change next to your name and have your experience be almost entirely the exact same as it is for free?

    These people are out of touch

  • Dr. Moose
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    1011 months ago

    People on Threads are still delusioned that it’s different from Twitter lol

      • Dr. Moose
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        Why? Lemmy is not just a clone. It’s fundamental rework of the platform. With Threads it’s exactly the same thing just a different billionaire.

  • @Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    611 months ago

    Am I reading that right? It will cost an extra $4 to register the check mark on mobile devices compared to desktop?

    Does that mean you only get the benefits on mobile if you pay the extra $ or does it mean you can pay either way but charging on mobile has a $4 convenience fee?

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      It covers Apple/Google tax. They didn’t want to have lower revenue on mobile or go the Spotify route.

    • @eggshappedeggOP
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      I was also surprised that you will need to verify all your accounts. If you run 3 social media accounts across Instagram or Facebook, you can buy a blue tick for each, even though you run them all from your (maybe) verified account

  • @ProfessorZhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    611 months ago

    Mistakes? The premium was one of the best choices Musk made. Everyone kept using it and it allowed him to just extract wealth from people for no consequences. Why wouldn’t other companies follow suit?

  • FireWire400
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    511 months ago

    “available later this week” and they didn’t even bother including the price in the local currencies?

  • Niello
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    Personally, they are the same sort of trash ever since I realise I can’t access its content from a web browser and I have to download the app with an account, so from the start.

    • @eggshappedeggOP
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      Elon owns Twitter not Google. Not sure how you got into comparing Facebook with Google

    • @masterspace@lemmy.ca
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      411 months ago

      Google has had many successful products since AdWords & AdSense

      Had being the primary word after Google cancelled them.

      Don’t be a fanboi for an advertising company. Google is a shit company that has produced by and large garbage while letting their primary user facing products wilt on the vine over the past 4 years.

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    I mean, shows how these people think. You should pay for everything, even the natural stuff like identity.

    Of course, if people are willing to pay, well…