Plan would be simple. Resign from the Presidency for health and personal reasons. This would immediately promote Harris to the Presidency, who could inherit the campaign cash and pledged delegates, and begin to sharply campaign on continuing the Biden legacy and attacking Trump with every skill at her disposal.
Wouldn’t be perfect, but it’d avoid a big, chaotic, inter-party fight with no prep time, and would preserve the sense of incumbency. Harris could even pick an actual progressive as her running mate, maybe a Katie Porter, and help shore up some support on that flank as she fights for the moderates.
If Biden resigns as president, yes Harris immediately becomes president. That means that Speaker of the House Mike Johnson is only one heartbeat from the presidency until January 20.
There’s no way for Harris to appoint and get confirmed a replacement vice president, and it would be impossible anyway because replacing the vacant VP slot requires a majority of both the House and Senate.
It doesn’t when work for becoming the new nominee. Becoming President due to a vacancy has exactly nothing to do with becoming the nominee for the election for president.
Becoming President in this case is by the Constitution. It’s the law, it’s how our government works.
Becoming the nominee is internal political party, legally private non-governmental business.
What does work, whether or not one wants Harris as the new nominee, is this:
Biden drops out as the Democratic nominee for President, while remaining in office as President saying he must put all his energy and attention into governing these remaining months.
Then,
IF the party wants Harris.
Harris aggressively campaigns to be President
ELSE
Harris states she has to put all her energy and attention into helping Biden govern so will not accept a nomination.
Open convention occurs, but likely with a lot of prior discussion and alignment towards one or two best candidate.
That happens if Biden slips and falls in the bath tube, too. Its not an argument for keeping him at the top of the ticket.
No that is not what happens. I’m not arguing to keep him at the top of the ticket. Exactly the opposite: I’m arguing to drop him from the not yet official ticket, but for him to stay on as president until his term ends. That keeps Johnson still only second-in-line for the presidency, with Harris still first-in-line.
If Biden (referring to his governmental role as the current President) dies, Vice President Kamala Harris immediately becomes President.
Whereas referring to his nongovernmental role once (IF) he becomes the official nominee of the Democratic Party, nobody is automatically elevated to be the new nominee of the party. If it’s before the election, the executive board of the DNC determines the new nominee. Harris would very likely become the official nominee, but that’s not their only choice.
But Biden is not yet the official nominee no matter how many times he and his supporters say he is. He is only the presumptive nominee. So if he died, was incapacitated, or dropped out as a candidate for the nomination now, before the convention roll call, it becomes essentially an open convention and the nominee is chosen the way it used to be, by the convention. Which might take multiple roll calls, behind the scenes favors trading, and all sorts of “fun” drama.
In none of those cases is Speaker of the House Johnson elevated to anything.
Dems control the Senate. For the House, would just need a couple repubs to flip. Otherwise it would have to be left vacant I suppose. Mike Johnson being next in line does not worry me.
Correct, Harris would not automatically become the dem nominee. However, assuming Biden’s chosen delegates are loyal to him, I think it’s reasonable to guess they would honor his chosen successor and voluntarily vote according to his wishes.
A convention is a possibility, and I’m not completely against it. It complicates matters severely though, and not for very significant gain since citizens can’t really vote again in such a short timeframe.
A couple of Republicans flipping to replace a Republican VP? That would absolutely never happen. Ever. This is less likely than the Sun rising in the West.
Most people really don’t like Harris though. Keeping Biden is the better option at this point…
The Dems have just royally fucked everyone by playing this “emperor’s new clothes” game with Bidens dementia.
Yeah, she’s far from perfect. But, it’s better than a big, chaotic, unprecedented free-for-all. Everyone was expecting 4 more years of this administration anyway.
Closed conventions weren’t the worst. I’m honestly fine if the DNC were to just pick someone at the convention after backroom conversations. Def too late for there to be any sort of election. I’m personally hoping Gretchen Whitmer somehow gets the nomination
Yeah, I don’t want them to do it that way normally, and I think a mini-primary could generate hype, but this is a unique situation and I can tolerate them doing it not-right to try to respond to a disaster. My expectations for a replacement are very low.
Tbh, I think that Harris is a big ol nothingburger of a candidate. Fox news got conservatives to hate her easy enough for the crime of being a [black, woman] Democrat, but that doesn’t mean anything to independents. Harris is disappointing to more libertarian minded and further left folks (like me) because she was kind of a stupidly aggressive DA, but I don’t think that really bothers independents either. Harris herself had a middling debate performance in 2020, but still managed to beat the pants off Biden, who appeared DOA on the 2020 primary stage. She’s never espoused any especially strong policy positions that I know of, either, besides being another authoritarian centrist.
All of this kind of wraps up into a very boring, plain vanilla candidate, which could well work to the democrats’ advantage in this election cycle. Here’s my opinion: Harris has several key advantages over Biden.
People are tired of feeling like we’re on a cursed timeline, a normal candidate without obvious sundowner’s or a serious case of fascism would likely be welcomed. Harris is about as average as they come, imo.
She can actually talk. Let’s face it, the Biden of 2020 and 2012 is mostly gone, he can’t communicate like he used to, and pretending otherwise isn’t helping. Harris was a DA in her past life. Lawyers, and especially DAs, have to be able to communicate effectively. My guess is that if you put a little polish on her, an absolute bull of a speaker/debater will shine through. It’s just that the democrats haven’t really given her a chance to shine. That or the possibility that same as they’ve been hiding Biden’s condition, they’re hiding that Harris is a truly wretched communicator who has wound up here through a comedy of errors, but I’m relying on Occam’s Razor here.
The one time she stood out at all in the primary debates was when she put Biden on absolute blast for his record with regard to the black community. It wasn’t smooth, it was obviously rehearsed, but it still landed a haymaker. It’s not a stretch to think she could do the same to Trump.
Being a nothing candidate could actually be advantageous because, I mean, how do you attack that? She has almost no real baggage compared to Biden or Trump, and it wouldn’t be hard for her to just set up a smorgasbord of different policy choices without sounding like a hypocrite or flip flop.
I really wish the democrats had had the foresight to prepare for this moment by picking a much better VP, or having an open and honest primary, but we’re here now and there’s nothing we can do about the past. Imo, Harris is the best chance we’ve got of keeping the fascists out for the next four years.
Yeah, I wouldn’t vote for Harris in a primary, but there’s nothing egregiously wrong with her. My biggest complaints in the primary were her prosecutor-history and her unreliable policy positions. I don’t even think she’s a centrist, I think she doesn’t really have much in the way of policy at all. A blank slate willing to tack to the center if the progressive lane is full, or tack to the left if that’s where the energy is. And the law and order history is basically no worse than Biden and kind of useful when one of Trump’s big issues is all his court cases.
I wish we had a primary, I wish Biden hadn’t effectively chosen the next nominee, and I wish that, if that was the intention, he would have put some effort into building her up rather than dumping shit jobs on her, but if we need to do an emergency replacement, she’s fine.
Play up her former DA status. This year the election is between Law and Lawlessness.
Harris: “I would be happy to prosecute the case against the felon in the next debate, let’s just see if he shows up for his court date or if he’s too busy taking bribes from his rich tech bro friends.”
If Biden could prove the debate was a one off he would have done so. His continued lack luster perform after the debate shows what the road to November looks like with him. Dems lose. Because most people who would vote blue will do so anyway. It’s the 1 in 100 on the margins that will decide this thing.
If Biden nominee = Trump 2nd presidency = all of the terror that comes with it, then who gives a flying fuck if Kamala right now polls even with Biden.
Most people don’t like Biden. More than don’t like Harris. There was some early idea that Harris was uniquely disliked that people keep propagating for some reason. She’s not a superstar, she lost the primary for a reason, but she’s not some especially toxic politician. At least not for anyone who would say “keeping Biden is better”.
She’s a former prosecutor, she’s not the best communicator, she isn’t particularly charismatic, and she doesn’t have a history of generating good legislation.
Eh, we need to stop pretending like the only gettable votes are closet Republican racists. There are a lot more Democrats than Republicans, and Trump has turned off even more. Obama won twice and Clinton still beat Trump by millions of votes, and Clinton had a whole host of other issues more relevant than her gender. Non-white and women candidates are viable. Yeah, every vote is valuable, but Biden’s been losing basic Democratic groups that Harris (or really any replacement) can reconnect with and juice turnout.
Yes, I’m sure you think you’re a great proxy for the average American voter. Too shrill maybe? Maybe too much vocal fry? Or maybe some other vocal feature that only applies to women?
Trump’s got the stupidest fucking voice there is and dumb vocal mannerisms to boot. Biden whispers half his press briefings. Her voice is fine. It’s a normal woman’s voice.
Someone gave a specific thing they didn’t like and it was immediately dismissed as misogyny and the person was told “her voice is fine” like that’s going to change anyones mind.
LOL, fuck off. The specific thing was “her voice was annoying” which both isn’t a real complaint and is a common complaint of women in general. And it’s being applied to a woman who has a really normal voice. Dude deserves to be dressed down and Democrats lose when they duck and cover to try to accommodate vague fears about how everyone but them is actually unshakably sexist/racist/homophobic, so just run a straight white dude again.
We can shore Biden up with a good Neuralink for the short term. Offload more and more functions to ChatGPT, but trained on someone articulate like Snoop Dogg.
With Biden’s political experience and Snoop’s ability to complete a sentence, we could keep this administration going. Let him google stuff too, in real time. Then he’s got an excuse for zoning out.
Pete has dropped his ice cream in every race he’s been in. He’s snakebit for some reason that I can’t reckon, and I’m not sure it’d be wise to run him unless he can really show that he’s figured out a secret sauce to get people engaged. Not a bad vp pick, though.
Yeah, he’s a policy nerd. I like policy nerds, and I’m mostly happy with the job he’s done in the FDOT, but policy nerds don’t tend to fare well in our elections.
So lie to voters more and say it is for health and personal reasons when he’s been saying he’s fine this whole time? What a final FU that’s be and what a way to energize your base with another big lie. He should admit that he was wrong and has decided to step aside cause he thinks it’s best for the voters and best for the party and best for the country. PERIOD. Nothing else needs to be said.
I think there is a difference between messaging and denial. I feel like the Biden campaign often goes so far overboard when presenting the positives that it comes across as dismissive and tone deaf. Kind of like how it’s frustrating when someone in a debate doesn’t actually answer the question but instead just pivots to talk about whatever.
Yeah, there’s been a lot of team Biden messaging that’s reminded me of HRC16 messaging, and that’s been giving me the willies. Hillary and her campaign came off as hugely tone deaf, and ultimately relied on just bashing people with “just shut up and vote or we’ll get Hitler”, and that’s kinda what the Biden messaging has been lately as well. It’s not a happy thing to see resemblances in.
Plan would be simple. Resign from the Presidency for health and personal reasons. This would immediately promote Harris to the Presidency, who could inherit the campaign cash and pledged delegates, and begin to sharply campaign on continuing the Biden legacy and attacking Trump with every skill at her disposal.
Wouldn’t be perfect, but it’d avoid a big, chaotic, inter-party fight with no prep time, and would preserve the sense of incumbency. Harris could even pick an actual progressive as her running mate, maybe a Katie Porter, and help shore up some support on that flank as she fights for the moderates.
Not a great nor necessary plan.
There’s no way for Harris to appoint and get confirmed a replacement vice president, and it would be impossible anyway because replacing the vacant VP slot requires a majority of both the House and Senate.
Becoming President in this case is by the Constitution. It’s the law, it’s how our government works.
Becoming the nominee is internal political party, legally private non-governmental business.
What does work, whether or not one wants Harris as the new nominee, is this:
Biden drops out as the Democratic nominee for President, while remaining in office as President saying he must put all his energy and attention into governing these remaining months.
Then,
IF the party wants Harris. Harris aggressively campaigns to be President ELSE
Harris states she has to put all her energy and attention into helping Biden govern so will not accept a nomination.
Open convention occurs, but likely with a lot of prior discussion and alignment towards one or two best candidate.
Face saving all around
That happens if Biden slips and falls in the bath tube, too. Its not an argument for keeping him at the top of the ticket.
No that is not what happens. I’m not arguing to keep him at the top of the ticket. Exactly the opposite: I’m arguing to drop him from the not yet official ticket, but for him to stay on as president until his term ends. That keeps Johnson still only second-in-line for the presidency, with Harris still first-in-line.
If Biden (referring to his governmental role as the current President) dies, Vice President Kamala Harris immediately becomes President.
Whereas referring to his nongovernmental role once (IF) he becomes the official nominee of the Democratic Party, nobody is automatically elevated to be the new nominee of the party. If it’s before the election, the executive board of the DNC determines the new nominee. Harris would very likely become the official nominee, but that’s not their only choice.
But Biden is not yet the official nominee no matter how many times he and his supporters say he is. He is only the presumptive nominee. So if he died, was incapacitated, or dropped out as a candidate for the nomination now, before the convention roll call, it becomes essentially an open convention and the nominee is chosen the way it used to be, by the convention. Which might take multiple roll calls, behind the scenes favors trading, and all sorts of “fun” drama.
In none of those cases is Speaker of the House Johnson elevated to anything.
Dems control the Senate. For the House, would just need a couple repubs to flip. Otherwise it would have to be left vacant I suppose. Mike Johnson being next in line does not worry me.
Correct, Harris would not automatically become the dem nominee. However, assuming Biden’s chosen delegates are loyal to him, I think it’s reasonable to guess they would honor his chosen successor and voluntarily vote according to his wishes.
A convention is a possibility, and I’m not completely against it. It complicates matters severely though, and not for very significant gain since citizens can’t really vote again in such a short timeframe.
A couple of Republicans flipping to replace a Republican VP? That would absolutely never happen. Ever. This is less likely than the Sun rising in the West.
Yeah, you’re probably right. Leave it vacant then.
If any Republican being president doesn’t worry you you aren’t paying attention.
Most people really don’t like Harris though. Keeping Biden is the better option at this point… The Dems have just royally fucked everyone by playing this “emperor’s new clothes” game with Bidens dementia.
Yeah, she’s far from perfect. But, it’s better than a big, chaotic, unprecedented free-for-all. Everyone was expecting 4 more years of this administration anyway.
Closed conventions weren’t the worst. I’m honestly fine if the DNC were to just pick someone at the convention after backroom conversations. Def too late for there to be any sort of election. I’m personally hoping Gretchen Whitmer somehow gets the nomination
Yeah, I don’t want them to do it that way normally, and I think a mini-primary could generate hype, but this is a unique situation and I can tolerate them doing it not-right to try to respond to a disaster. My expectations for a replacement are very low.
Tbh, I think that Harris is a big ol nothingburger of a candidate. Fox news got conservatives to hate her easy enough for the crime of being a [black, woman] Democrat, but that doesn’t mean anything to independents. Harris is disappointing to more libertarian minded and further left folks (like me) because she was kind of a stupidly aggressive DA, but I don’t think that really bothers independents either. Harris herself had a middling debate performance in 2020, but still managed to beat the pants off Biden, who appeared DOA on the 2020 primary stage. She’s never espoused any especially strong policy positions that I know of, either, besides being another authoritarian centrist.
All of this kind of wraps up into a very boring, plain vanilla candidate, which could well work to the democrats’ advantage in this election cycle. Here’s my opinion: Harris has several key advantages over Biden.
People are tired of feeling like we’re on a cursed timeline, a normal candidate without obvious sundowner’s or a serious case of fascism would likely be welcomed. Harris is about as average as they come, imo.
She can actually talk. Let’s face it, the Biden of 2020 and 2012 is mostly gone, he can’t communicate like he used to, and pretending otherwise isn’t helping. Harris was a DA in her past life. Lawyers, and especially DAs, have to be able to communicate effectively. My guess is that if you put a little polish on her, an absolute bull of a speaker/debater will shine through. It’s just that the democrats haven’t really given her a chance to shine. That or the possibility that same as they’ve been hiding Biden’s condition, they’re hiding that Harris is a truly wretched communicator who has wound up here through a comedy of errors, but I’m relying on Occam’s Razor here.
The one time she stood out at all in the primary debates was when she put Biden on absolute blast for his record with regard to the black community. It wasn’t smooth, it was obviously rehearsed, but it still landed a haymaker. It’s not a stretch to think she could do the same to Trump.
Being a nothing candidate could actually be advantageous because, I mean, how do you attack that? She has almost no real baggage compared to Biden or Trump, and it wouldn’t be hard for her to just set up a smorgasbord of different policy choices without sounding like a hypocrite or flip flop.
I really wish the democrats had had the foresight to prepare for this moment by picking a much better VP, or having an open and honest primary, but we’re here now and there’s nothing we can do about the past. Imo, Harris is the best chance we’ve got of keeping the fascists out for the next four years.
Yeah, I wouldn’t vote for Harris in a primary, but there’s nothing egregiously wrong with her. My biggest complaints in the primary were her prosecutor-history and her unreliable policy positions. I don’t even think she’s a centrist, I think she doesn’t really have much in the way of policy at all. A blank slate willing to tack to the center if the progressive lane is full, or tack to the left if that’s where the energy is. And the law and order history is basically no worse than Biden and kind of useful when one of Trump’s big issues is all his court cases.
I wish we had a primary, I wish Biden hadn’t effectively chosen the next nominee, and I wish that, if that was the intention, he would have put some effort into building her up rather than dumping shit jobs on her, but if we need to do an emergency replacement, she’s fine.
Play up her former DA status. This year the election is between Law and Lawlessness.
Harris: “I would be happy to prosecute the case against the felon in the next debate, let’s just see if he shows up for his court date or if he’s too busy taking bribes from his rich tech bro friends.”
If Biden could prove the debate was a one off he would have done so. His continued lack luster perform after the debate shows what the road to November looks like with him. Dems lose. Because most people who would vote blue will do so anyway. It’s the 1 in 100 on the margins that will decide this thing. If Biden nominee = Trump 2nd presidency = all of the terror that comes with it, then who gives a flying fuck if Kamala right now polls even with Biden.
What, you don’t think that he was actually thinking real hard about beating Putin?
Most people don’t like Biden. More than don’t like Harris. There was some early idea that Harris was uniquely disliked that people keep propagating for some reason. She’s not a superstar, she lost the primary for a reason, but she’s not some especially toxic politician. At least not for anyone who would say “keeping Biden is better”.
She’s a former prosecutor, she’s not the best communicator, she isn’t particularly charismatic, and she doesn’t have a history of generating good legislation.
I’ll take it, she will still have that incumbent power and name recognition.
There are still a lot of people who might vote for Biden, but wouldn’t vote for a woman, especially a non white one.
If we get a chance, big if there, we will only get one.
Eh, we need to stop pretending like the only gettable votes are closet Republican racists. There are a lot more Democrats than Republicans, and Trump has turned off even more. Obama won twice and Clinton still beat Trump by millions of votes, and Clinton had a whole host of other issues more relevant than her gender. Non-white and women candidates are viable. Yeah, every vote is valuable, but Biden’s been losing basic Democratic groups that Harris (or really any replacement) can reconnect with and juice turnout.
Yep, the Democratic problem is not persuading cultists on the other side, it’s energizing the base.
Her voice is annoying. That sounds super stupid and superficial, but that’s enough to ruin the gut feeling of the average voter.
Yes, I’m sure you think you’re a great proxy for the average American voter. Too shrill maybe? Maybe too much vocal fry? Or maybe some other vocal feature that only applies to women?
Trump’s got the stupidest fucking voice there is and dumb vocal mannerisms to boot. Biden whispers half his press briefings. Her voice is fine. It’s a normal woman’s voice.
See? I wasn’t crazy ._.
No, you were still had a dumb opinion that didn’t have shit to do with the results of the election.
And stuff like this is why we’ll lose.
Someone gave a specific thing they didn’t like and it was immediately dismissed as misogyny and the person was told “her voice is fine” like that’s going to change anyones mind.
LOL, fuck off. The specific thing was “her voice was annoying” which both isn’t a real complaint and is a common complaint of women in general. And it’s being applied to a woman who has a really normal voice. Dude deserves to be dressed down and Democrats lose when they duck and cover to try to accommodate vague fears about how everyone but them is actually unshakably sexist/racist/homophobic, so just run a straight white dude again.
I’ve counted and I can guarantee there are at least two dozen Americans that aren’t Harris or Biden.
We can shore Biden up with a good Neuralink for the short term. Offload more and more functions to ChatGPT, but trained on someone articulate like Snoop Dogg.
With Biden’s political experience and Snoop’s ability to complete a sentence, we could keep this administration going. Let him google stuff too, in real time. Then he’s got an excuse for zoning out.
I will point out that Biden dropped out shortly after this epic burn
Most people really don’t like Biden either.
I could see a video getting leaked of Jill Biden slapping Joe around saying he ruined her life cause of the debate
Not my fave plan but it’ll do. Shit, I’m voting D no matter what. I will always vote against the republican traitor filth.
Not my fave plan but it’ll do. Shit, I’m voting R no matter what. I will always vote against the democrat traitor filth.
Cool, I’m glad this bothered you. You cunts deserve no respite.
That point just flew right over your head huh?
No, I caught on to you thinking yourself clever when you’re just a standard issue dumbass. Kindly fuck off.
The poor guy’s fence post is damaging his brain.
Ok, you have fun in your cult while judging the people in the other cult
Who would be Harris’ VP pick?
She’d probably pick a straight white guy to try to defuse some bigotry concerns, but in my fantasies she picks Katie Porter.
My dream vote goes to Pete B. Though I’d guess they save him for a Presidential run.
Wall Street Pete is always there when corporate needs a railroad accident covered up!
Pete has dropped his ice cream in every race he’s been in. He’s snakebit for some reason that I can’t reckon, and I’m not sure it’d be wise to run him unless he can really show that he’s figured out a secret sauce to get people engaged. Not a bad vp pick, though.
He’s a pretty amazing off-the-cuff orator, however. He’s be great in a VP debate.
Isn’t he gay?
Let’s be real here, that should not matter, but it does to a lot of people.
Yeah. I want to pretend that wouldn’t matter. =/
That whole “yes I want to take your guns bit” is a really bad look.
That could be more an advantage with those on the left than it is a detriment for the bigots on the right or the middle. It is a valid point, though.
Regrettably he is far too smart and not politically savvy.
Yeah, he’s a policy nerd. I like policy nerds, and I’m mostly happy with the job he’s done in the FDOT, but policy nerds don’t tend to fare well in our elections.
🤞Bernie Sanders 🤞
Can’t we find someone under 80?
Probably but who would fire the left up more than Bernie?
AOC, but that won’t happen.
She can’t beat Trump.
I don’t think we need someone popular to beat Trump. Just someone that can run a strong campaign.
Trumps fans may love him, but he is not himself a broadly popular figure in any other circles.
Trump is not a good candidate, everyone the dems run is just horrible
So lie to voters more and say it is for health and personal reasons when he’s been saying he’s fine this whole time? What a final FU that’s be and what a way to energize your base with another big lie. He should admit that he was wrong and has decided to step aside cause he thinks it’s best for the voters and best for the party and best for the country. PERIOD. Nothing else needs to be said.
I don’t think voters would blame a politician for trying to portray strength in their campaign. Sensible ones anyway.
I think there is a difference between messaging and denial. I feel like the Biden campaign often goes so far overboard when presenting the positives that it comes across as dismissive and tone deaf. Kind of like how it’s frustrating when someone in a debate doesn’t actually answer the question but instead just pivots to talk about whatever.
Yeah, there’s been a lot of team Biden messaging that’s reminded me of HRC16 messaging, and that’s been giving me the willies. Hillary and her campaign came off as hugely tone deaf, and ultimately relied on just bashing people with “just shut up and vote or we’ll get Hitler”, and that’s kinda what the Biden messaging has been lately as well. It’s not a happy thing to see resemblances in.