• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    Here’s a hint: I think a peace deal to end the war in Ukraine should involve a new referendum organized and monitored by an impartial body (so not one picked by either Russia or NATO) before I was comfortable with Crimea or other parts of Eastern Ukraine joining Russia.

    It’s a good compromise because it leaves everyone unhappy.

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      Or Russia can get the fuck out of Ukraine. Your “compromise” is letting the mugger only take half of your wallet.

      Giving concessions to Nazi Germany is how the world let WWII happen in the first place. Russia has been allowed to fuck around for far too much. They should have been stopped when they invaded Georgia. Letting them have parts of Ukraine will only give them time to regroup and possibly invade either Ukraine again or some other nation.

      before I was comfortable with Crimea or other parts of Eastern Ukraine joining Russia.

      Are you currently in Crimea? Other parts of Ukraine? Is this really your call?

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        Your “compromise” is letting the mugger only take half of your wallet.

        People aren’t property, you don’t get to keep them just because you own them. They have self determination.

        Are you currently in Crimea? Other parts of Ukraine? Is this really your call?

        No, it’s theirs, which is why I want them to have a choice! I’m the one that wants to let them choose whether they join Russia or stay with Ukraine. You’re the one that wants to hold them against their will if they truly want to leave.

        I’d be comfortable with allowing them to do what they want. Why do you not want the same?

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          I’d be comfortable with allowing them to do what they want.

          They want more guns and bullets. I wonder why?

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            5 months ago

            Zelenski wants guns and bullets. What do the People want? Do Crimeans want the US to give Ukraine more guns and bullets? Or do they not count for some reason?

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              Casualties in the Russo-Ukrainian War include six deaths during the 2014 annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation, 14,200–14,400 military and civilian deaths during the War in Donbas

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

              So I’m guessing what a large number of them want is for Russia to unkill their friends and relatives. But then most of the ones who want that have been driven out, arrested, or intimidated into silence.

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          They didn’t get a choice to get invaded by Russia in the first place. Why should they get a choice about whether or not Russia should stay there, especially after Russia has either driven out or arrested people trying to get the occupied areas out of Russian hands?