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  • De_Narm@lemmy.world
    767·
    5 months ago

    I really don’t get these memes. In about 9 years of daily use on multiple systems I never had anything break beyond a multitude of failures to update with pacman - all of which could be fixed within minutes - and in the early years having to restart my system every couple of months because it stopped recognizing USB devices - after many rounds of updates mind you. I’ve had more frequent troubles with windows. How did Arch get this bad rep?

    • Failx@sh.itjust.works
      20·
      5 months ago

      Most likely old folk™ I used Arch during the migration from init to systemd (2009-2013). Oh boy did things like to go boom at unforeseen moments. Like random segfaults after package updates, disappearing as suddenly as they started.

      But admittedly after ~2013 Arch stabilised extremely compared to before. I remember having discussions around 2014 with people surprised that they didn’t have update-introduced issues with their Arch install for 2 years at that time. Most of them never again until today.

      Also: new users After aforementioned stabilisation period I got to know recently started Linux users who just did wired shit. Like accidentally deleting all kernel images on a Luks encrypted system or using unusual hardware which by chance Ubuntu or Fedora supported out of the box but would require kernel patches for Arch. They wanted to learn and they did learn but always perceived Arch as “more complicated” than the alternatives. But most of that was imo not the fault of Arch.

    • ayaya@lemdro.idEnglish
      13·
      5 months ago

      Same here. Switched to Arch in 2015 so I am also coming up on the 9 year mark. I have had very few issues, and the ones I have had were usually my fault for doing something stupid. I used Windows, OS X, and Ubuntu previously and compared to those Arch is a dream. Hence why I’ve stuck with it for so long now.

    • huntrss@feddit.de
      12·
      5 months ago

      Same here. 10 years on my laptop and it broke only once: I accidentally closed the terminal where the initramfs was installed. So my mistake. I could fix it by using an arch install on an USB and my knowledge of how to install the system, since I did it myself, by hand.

      • anti-idpol action@programming.devOP
        5·
        5 months ago

        well in this particular case it’s initramfs’ fault for not designing for all-or-nothing atomicity (a operation either completes fully or not at all). which you can work around with a terminal multiplexer where a session can be re-attached later in such cases btw.

        • huntrss@feddit.de
          4·
          5 months ago

          Thanks, the multiplexer idea is actually really good.

          Having Said that, In my particular case it was actually my fault.

      • De_Narm@lemmy.world
        4·
        5 months ago

        Yep, I have a lot of AUR packages installed. Never had any problems besides needing to remove a package once to resolve some dependency issues.

        • anti-idpol action@programming.devOP
          3·
          5 months ago

          the real question is whether you use git variants. Which is another way of not making arch (and Gentoo) certainly not free as in free beer, especially if you live in Europe and need to deal with those outrageous energy prices. btw imo one should be suspicious of projects with long tagged release cadence since it’s usually a sign of technical debt and the need to look for alternatives.

          • anti-idpol action@programming.devOP
            6·
            5 months ago

            The X server has to be the biggest program I’ve ever seen that doesn’t do anything for you.
            Ken Thompson

            I see Wayland’s flaws but X is such a bloated piece of hardly maintainable spaghetti code that it is sadly beyond saving or prospects for anything in terms of significant improvement

    • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
      5·
      5 months ago

      How did Arch get this bad rep?

      Because so many people love it and make a point of its ‘brilliance’, so it’s funny to take it down a peg.

      Myself, long ago, I moved from Arch to Ubuntu partly for ease of downloads on bad internet in Asia (in-country package mirror, and obviously less downloads overall); and partly because I didn’t want my time and mental energy to be ‘on call’ for a random breakage from an upgrade. Breakages were occasional for me, and normally easily fixable, but took immediate time and effort.

      I still think Arch is great, but I’ve got through some distro hops to end up currently on Mint, from wanting stability + a couple of binaries that are published for Ubuntu and not other distros.

      Was tempted by NixOS or Guix, but… not just yet.

    • 31337@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      5 months ago

      I’ve tried a couple rolling distros (including Arch), and they always “broke” after ~6 months to a year. Both times because an update would mess up something with my proprietary GPU drivers, IIRC. Both times, I would just install a different distro, because it would’ve probably took me longer to figure out what the issue was and fix it. I’m currently just using Debian stable, lol.