• BoscoBear@lemmy.sdf.org
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      And trains aren’t stuck to roads. And planes aren’t stuck to roads. And ships aren’t stuck to roads.

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      cars are stuck to roads and much less efficient everywhere many people need to go. cars are basically useful where only few people live or work.

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        I mean technically cars are only stuck to roads if you’re a law abiding citizen.

        Roads allow for significantly more freedom of travel than trains because it would be cost prohibitive to build rail networks everywhere a car can reach.

        Each mode of transport has its niche and one cannot replace the other.

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          If you can’t conveniently travel by train, that is a failure of the design of your city, not trains. If the destination a train took you to was walkable you wouldn’t need a car, because the train could cover the large distances, and you could simply walk from the train to your necessary locations.

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            “City”

            This guy thinking everyone lives in urban centers.

            Are they going to run a train to every remote village in Italy? Will everyone in Iceland travel to Reykjavik from their farms around the country by rail? Are we going to install rail on every island of Greece just so people don’t have to drive?

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              Sure, if we can build the infrastructure for cars there, why not trains too. You’re quite closed minded. But also, why can’t you just bike in a village? I mentioned cities because that’s where trains tend to be, genius.

              There’s trams, there’s bikes, there’s buses, etc. etc. etc.

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                Sure, I’ll just bike through 4 feet of snow to get to town. Roads don’t need to fall within specific tolerances to operate either, like tracks. Have you ever been to the country? Anywhere that snows? You sound like “city folk” to me and you throwing around “closed minded” and “genius” when someone else brings up a contradictory point makes you sound more like “city asshole”. Maybe keep the conversation civil, eh?

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                  There are several alternatives to trains. It was the appropriate example for cities. This is dead simple. If you’re gonna be a condescending, mocking asshole all while completely missing the point, you’re gonna get some sass. Simple as, fuck off if you can’t handle it.

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                Why can’t you just bike in a village?

                It’s not about biking in a village. It’s about biking out of a village to a denser urban center. The place where the trains are.

                You’re quite closed minded.

                I think it’s closed minded to assume that trains and bikes can replace all utility of cars, or that cars will never be in a state where the impact on the environment is negligible.

                there’s buses

                That’s just a big fucking car.

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                  Btw, I’m pretty sure places that are that remote rely on planes. Some parts of alaska are like that if I’m remembering correctly.

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                  If the infrastructure exists for cars, it can exist for trains.

                  1 bus > 25 cars. Or how many ever it seats.