• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Having standards is a bad thing, just vote for your team even if you’d hate what they do.

    Republicans did that decades ago, and now have trump.

    The only thing stupider than them doing it, is all the “moderates” saying it’s easier to convince millions of people to follow them off the cliff than convince the DNC to start running candidates that Dem voters want to vote for…

    The fact that trump has won 50% of his elections and looks to be 2/3 in a few months should make everyone reconsider the quality of candidates we’re running against him.

    Not getting mad at the people honest about the situation while there’s still time to do literally anything to prevent trump.

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      Republicans did that decades ago, and now have trump.

      I might argue that Republicans didn’t do that decades ago, and that’s how they got two Bushes, a McCain, and a Romney. It wasn’t until they abandoned the “electable” moderate Republican and embraced their ideological id that they got to their political messiah.

      The fact that trump has won 50% of his elections and looks to be 2/3 in a few months should make everyone reconsider the quality of candidates we’re running against him.

      I gotta say, I noticed the folks running in the GOP field and they all sucked hard. Trump was the raw meat candidate, but he wasn’t even the most fascist asshole on the ballot. DeSantis was the guy who got off waterboarding people at Gitmo for a living. Hailey couldn’t name a country she didn’t want to bomb. Hutchinson’s fundie base would have him rounding up the cast of RuPaul’s Drag Race and marching them to the gas chambers. Only Ramaswamy is the kind of sociopath business conservative more fixated on looting the country than mutilating its residents.

      Trump’s given them license to go full mask-off, but he’s not uniquely bad. He’s emblematic of a party that’s also frothed with bigotry, and just found a PC way of displaying it right up until a black man got into the White House.

      Not getting mad at the people honest about the situation while there’s still time to do literally anything to prevent trump.

      Biden won 2020 by 40,000 votes across three major swing states. He’s losing all three - PA, GA, and AZ - by two to three times that under current polling. The theory that we can just Tinkerbell him back into a second term is simple cope. Biden’s goose was cooked as soon as he fumbled the bag in his first 100 days.

      Blaming 20-something tech savvy voters on Lemmy for hating the man over his genocidal support of Israel won’t shift any of the critical swing-state 40-something blue collar voters angry at him over sun-setting all the COVID era public spending measures.

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        It’s the economy, stupid

        …and for most Americans the economy isn’t that great. Sure we ducked the recession that should have come, but while “line goes up” is great for Wall Street and the economy as a whole, the delayed impact means that improvement does little for the suburban and rural working class voters whose only exposure to the stock market is their 401(k). That’s decades away from paying anything out, while right now they’re feeling the pinch of stagnant wages and corporate driven inflation

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      I’m not sure how it works in the US but join the democratic party and vote for the presidential candidate you want to see. If it doesn’t work out and you don’t like the democratic candidate but said candidate is still better than the Republican, still vote Democrat.

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        I’m not sure how it works in the US

        Yeah. If you think primaries matter, you don’t know how it works here…

        But one DNC lawyer’s argument actually tries to justify the party’s right to be biased on behalf of one primary candidate over another, according to an article from The Young Turks. In other words, they could have chosen their nominee over cigars in a backroom.

        https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/dnc-lawyer-reportedly-said-they-could-have-chosen-between-clinton-sanders-over-cigars-in-back-rooms/

        Their legal defense for interfering with the 2016 primary was literally:

        Who cares? A primary isn’t a real election and doesn’t matter, we don’t have to listen to results.

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          Maybe the primaries system is fucked up, but protest votes in the presidential elections won’t change the system for the better either. Neither party wants to introduce a democratic, proportional voting system because both parties would lose power. I don’t know how to fix it, i just know that getting Trump elected won’t.

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            Maybe

            Maybe?

            It is fucked.

            We have no say in who either of the two general candidates are, and they take billions from the same people/industries.

            That’s not an exaggeration, 2020 Biden spent a billion, and 2024 they’re predicting two billion.

            We have an illusion of choice and the same people win no matter which party wins the oval office.

            I don’t know how to fix it, i just know that getting Trump elected won’t.

            Neither will voting Biden, it doesn’t solve the problem, just kicks the can down the road and 4 years from now it’ll be the same thing. Either with trump again or someone even worse.

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                than slip and fall and fucking die.

                You forgot “risk” and leaving out that in this analogy “kicking the can” is surviving a little.longer by extending suffering.

                But it’s depressing how many people want to spend time convincing people to vote for an unrepent genocide supporter than trying to get the US president and upcoming candidate to stop supporting a genocide…

                This is like when people claimed to support civil rights and MLK. But spent all their time complaining about protests and saying if we all just shut up and accepted it life would be easier for you.

                I’m glad Biden won’t fundamentally change your life, and that your life is currently good enough for that to be acceptable.

                But you’re in the minority these days.

                So keep yelling at people who will suffer under either party to vote for someone that hates them and will actively work against them…

                If you want to prevent republicans from holding higher office tho, I suggest you join the adults and demand the DNC be better than just “not a Republican”.

                You get to prevent trump and help the needy!

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      4 months ago

      The fact that trump has won 50% of his elections

      That would mean Biden has won 100% of his elections.

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        General presidential?

        Yes…

        That’s what numbers mean.

        If you include primaries tho, his first try at president was 1988, 36 years ago. And he never stopped trying, just never was a good enough candidate till the only standard became “not trump”.