this is AI but it felt a lot more guy with broken gear

  • zogwarg@awful.systems
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    9
    ·
    7 months ago

    If you keep in the mind the original angst of the students “I have to learn how to use LLMs or I’ll get left behind” they themselves have a vocational understanding of their degree. And it is sensible to address those concerns practically (though as stated in another comment, I don’t believe in accepting the default use of generative tools).

    On a more philosophical note I think STEM fields (and any really general well-rounded education) would benefit from delving (!) deeper in library science/archival science/philosophy and their application to history, and that coincidentally that would make a lot of people better at troubleshooting and legacy code untangling.

    • deborah@awful.systems
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      7 months ago

      would benefit from delving (!) deeper in library science/archival science/philosophy and their application to history

      Ooh, would you say more about this? I have opinions, but that’s because I’m a programmer now but formerly a librarian & archivist (on the digital side, it’s more common to go back and forth between them; it’s the same degree).

      • zogwarg@awful.systems
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        7 months ago

        I’m afraid my thoughts on the matter aren’t that deep or well informed ^^.

        In no particular order:

        • I grew up in France, and my (probably biased) view, it tends a bit more towards teaching “Literary” subjects, including for engineering students. I think in general this does indeed develop literacy and critical thinking.
        • France has “Professors Documentalist” and we call our school libraries “Center for Documentation and Information” from middle school up, with a few (very) introductory courses on using Thesaurus, Bibliography and digital index cards tools (this may of become enshittified by the availability of google since my time there)
        • I have a small Lexicography hobby.
        • I have a small reading old sources hobby.
        • I think more “Traditional” digital search is still incredibly valuable
        • I think principles predating the digital age are still incredibly valuable
        • The way STEM fields are taught is often focused on “one correct answer”, and i don’t remember that much focus being put on where the sources come from, comparing differing sources, or even any emphasis on how can be certain a given source has been accurately transmitted to the present age in history.
        • I think information retrieval is a vital skill (especially with the enshitification of google) that all fields when benefit practitionners from being more comfortable with (though of course it’s still its own job).
        • I think software engineers in particular, during their education, would be well served by practical examples of reconciling conflicting or uncertain sources, and I think history is a good lens (less abstract vs software).

        I’d be interested in your perspective!