Yeah. That was more or less the conclusion I came to – it’s too hard for the LLM to follow the flow of conversation well enough to really determine if someone’s “acting in good faith” or whatever, and it’s way too easy for it to interpret someone making a joke as being serious, that kind of thing. (Or, maybe GPT-4 can do it if you want to pay for that for API access for every user that wants to post, but I don’t want to do that).

But it seems even a cheap LLM is pretty capable of distilling down, what are the things that people are claiming (or implying as an assumption), and did someone challenge them on it, and then did they respond substantively / respond combatively / change the subject / never respond. That seems like it works and you can do it kinda cheaply. And, it means that someone who puts out 50 messages a day (which isn’t hard to do) would then have to respond to 50 messages a day coming back asking questions, which is a lot more demanding, and creates a lot more room for an opinion that doesn’t hold up if you examine it to get exposed as such. But, it wouldn’t really weigh in on what’s the “right answer” to come to, and it wouldn’t censor from participating anyone who wanted to be there and participate in the discussion.

IDK. Because you asked I dusted off the code I had from before just now, and I was reminded of how not-happy-with-it-yet I was 🙂. I think there’s a good idea somewhere in there though.

I’m not angry at you or anything like that. I’m being super hostile partly just because I can be a dick in general, but also because it seems like you’re being dishonest. If I’ve read it wrong then I apologize, but the type of thing you’re saying just doesn’t make sense to me.

It’s just not that complex. I’ll speak for myself: I didn’t vote for Biden in the primary. I sort of expected him to be the exact type of establishment criminal that his background as a rich white guy who’s worked in Washington all his life would suggest. Then he started doing good things for the working class and on climate change and I was surprised about it and for the first time decided he might be a good thing (instead of just not the end of the world like Trump would be). Then he started being okay with Israel slaughtering brown people and I stopped supporting him nearly as wholeheartedly – like yes, he’s returning to type as a war criminal like most US leaders; it’s still better to vote for him instead of Trump, but also we should be working to build organizations that can replace him with something much much better. I don’t think he started the war in Gaza, but he’s certainly not doing the Palestinians any favors by enabling Netanyahu to do more or less whatever he wants.

I don’t get where you arrived at this burning desire to decide that there are American Democrats who want to see Palestinians getting slaughtered in the streets by the thousands. I think population A hates it and opposes Biden on it, to this on-the-news-all-the-time-because-the-campus-or-the-person-is-on-fire extent, because he’s enabling it. (While, maybe, still acknowledging that he’s 10 times better than Trump by any standard.) I think another population B gets their news from establishment sources that don’t really tell them that that’s happening, that tell them that Israel is defending themselves from a terrorist attack and fighting a conventional war against armed opponents. I don’t think that’s what’s happening, but I think they think that’s what’s happening, because the news is lying to them. And so they’re okay with it. I don’t think there’s some population C that is both Democratic voters and understands what’s going on and wants Israel to be doing what they’re doing.

That’s it. It’s not complicated. It’s not like some thing where you have to move the goalposts around in this convoluted manner to construct a person who voted for Biden in the primary because they want to murder Palestinians and they had a premonition that Hamas would attack Israel and Netanyahu would decide to start murdering the whole country and Biden loves all of that happening and so that’s why they voted for Biden. The whole thing is cockamamie.

If I’ve misunderstood anything about what you’re claiming happened then feel free to enlighten me. But you kept saying that people on Lemmy are okay with killing Palestinians, which I absolutely know isn’t true, and the whole thing about the primary that you’re saying now instead, makes so little sense that it’s hard for me to take it seriously as a thing you actually believe. Sorry. If I’m a dick to you (which, maybe I shouldn’t be), that is why.