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    weird OpenAI neglected to mention that what the real artists were doing with the technology was spend a lot of time heavily editing and fucking rotoscoping its output to look barely passable

    but the result was still uninteresting garbage that’s only barely notable if you think generative AI did it, and we’ve established that all the coherent parts of this were done (as usual) with the hard work of a team of uncredited humans

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      I am confused, was the expectation really a magic automate entire movie clip button? Because thats not how any kind of creative generative ai works in my experience.

      llms are not sentient, they cannot perform “intentional reasoning” of course the showcased art is a human work. Of course the raw output has hallucinations, gpt4 is not except of that either but its still a great drafter.

      The results stands to appear technologically very impressive. This kind of thing was perceived as never to be possible and improves quickly.

      No cameras, no physical shooting, no actors. Just a few creatives and something to compute.

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        oh come the fuck off it, OpenAI’s marketing presents sora as exactly a magic automate entire movie clip button. here’s OpenAI marketing the stupid thing as a world simulator which is fucking laughable if it can’t maintain even basic consistency. here’s an analysis of how disappointing sora actually is

        tonight’s promptfans are fucking boring and I’m cranky from openai’s shitty sora page crashing my browser so I guess all you folks doing free marketing for Sam Altman can fuck off now

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          also:

          The results stands to appear technologically very impressive. This kind of thing was perceived as never to be possible and improves quickly.

          No cameras, no physical shooting, no actors. Just a few creatives and something to compute.

          like @gnomicutterance@hachyderm.io I am begging generative AI idiots to realize how out of touch “no cameras, no physical shooting, no actors” is as a supposed milestone when it applies equally well to Xavier: Renegade Angel… except Xavier looked fucked up on purpose

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              Tbh I find both acceptable, and not solely because I thought of the one. Current working mental taxonomy:

              Fans: the internet weird-nerds choosing to be bodyshields for this shit absent any other reason whatsoever

              Fondlers: those that write the thonkpieces as demonstrated elsethread (the infosec panic one)

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          No it doesn’t, ive read the available documents its a work in progress tech demo being made available to industry experts for the goal of gaining feedback.

          Your interpretation on the “as a simulation paper” feels to me (and yes that is subjective) as a lack of reading comprehension if you analyze what is actually all being stated.

          “Our results suggest that scaling video generation models is a promising path towards building general purpose simulators of the physical world.“

          “Promised path” does not imply the current state is capable of creating or based on a simulation, it also does not imply it can do this without additional components playing along, neither is it proof that it will be 100% feasible.

          If this was a journalist piece id agree that the title was clickbait but this a tech company doing a tech paper for something that there not even turning into a product yet. (and when they do it be a dumb down chatgpt feature because shits expensive to run in full).

          I don’t even care about openai its just another silicon valley money cult but i have a fascination for everything computer science and i can read the small print of a tech paper.

          Whats being performed is revolutionary (across the field) but people need to chill out thinking they will see ai doing anything significant on its own for a few more years.

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        it’s quite telling that you don’t think that actors are “creatives” but think that “gpt-4 is a great drafter”.

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          Again, reading comprehension. I never said actors aren’t creatives. If your really think i am arguing in such a bad faith does it even matter to you what my argument is really about.

          Maybe we got off on the wrong foot, i dont like fighting people.

          I see many people hear holding the sentiment that its openai who lied about this specific balloon video… What i dont see is people talking about or with the people who actually made that video.

          These people are established artists with a professional career with real life experience working with traditional tools and this one project with Sora.

          Is be interested to know if they themselves think about

          • If the technology made their work easier

          • How they rate the quality versus there usual non ai work

          • if they felt openai was transparent about the details of the assignment they where given when publicizing their work.