• Fleppensteyn
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    1626 days ago

    If interest rates rise, what will typically happen to bond prices?

    Is this basic financial literacy? Who deals with this on a daily basis?

    As for the other questions (inflation, interest), any average person knows this. What kind of people did they ask?

    • @tal@lemmy.today
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      26 days ago

      any average person knows this

      I would venture to suggest that perhaps Eurobarometer polls might be more-representative of the population than your circle of friends and family.

      I remember the first time I saw a poll as to the percentage of people here in the US that believed in ghosts and was very surprised. If you’d asked me prior to seeing poll data, I’d have guessed that the number would be below 1%.

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/10/28/do-ghosts-exist-41-percent-americans-say-yes/8580577002/

      This year’s results showed a slight drop in Americans who say ghosts are real. In 2019, 4 in 10 Americans believed in ghosts, and more than 46% agreed that supernatural beings exist. In this year’s survey, about 41% of adults said they believe in ghosts.

      Slate Star Codex had an article a while back about the remarkable impact of social bubbles. It was really talking about how people isolate themselves into “political bubbles” of Democrats and Republicans, and how people in each camp should be more tolerant of each other. But I think that one can generalize the mathematical side of what the article was talking about, that one can have a social circle that is statistically insanely not-representative of the population as a whole, because of tendency of people with similar viewpoints to cluster.

      A quote from the article:

      There are cer­tain the­o­ries of dark mat­ter where it barely in­ter­acts with the reg­u­lar world at all, such that we could have a dark mat­ter planet ex­actly co-​incident with Earth and never know. Maybe dark mat­ter peo­ple are walk­ing all around us and through us, maybe my house is in the Times Square of a great dark mat­ter city, maybe a few me­ters away from me a dark mat­ter blog­ger is writ­ing on his dark mat­ter com­puter about how weird it would be if there was a light mat­ter per­son he couldn’t see right next to him.

      This is sort of how I feel about con­ser­v­a­tives.

      I don’t mean the sort of light-​matter con­ser­v­a­tives who go around com­plain­ing about Big Gov­ern­ment and oc­ca­sion­ally vot­ing for Rom­ney. I see those guys all the time. What I mean is – well, take cre­ation­ists. Ac­cord­ing to Gallup polls, about 46% of Amer­i­cans are cre­ation­ists. Not just in the sense of be­liev­ing God helped guide evo­lu­tion. I mean they think evo­lu­tion is a vile athe­ist lie and God cre­ated hu­mans ex­actly as they exist right now. That’s half the coun­try.

      And I don’t have a sin­gle one of those peo­ple in my so­cial cir­cle. It’s not be­cause I’m de­lib­er­ately avoid­ing them; I’m pretty live-​and-let-live po­lit­i­cally, I wouldn’t os­tra­cize some­one just for some weird be­liefs. And yet, even though I prob­a­bly know about a hun­dred fifty peo­ple, I am pretty con­fi­dent that not one of them is cre­ation­ist. Odds of this hap­pen­ing by chance? 1⁄2^150 = 1⁄10^45 = ap­prox­i­mately the chance of pick­ing a par­tic­u­lar atom if you are ran­domly se­lect­ing among all the atoms on Earth.

      About forty per­cent of Amer­i­cans want to ban gay mar­riage. I think if I re­ally stretch it, maybe ten of my top hun­dred fifty friends might fall into this group. This is less as­tro­nom­i­cally un­likely; the odds are a mere one to one hun­dred quin­til­lion against.

      Peo­ple like to talk about so­cial bub­bles, but that doesn’t even begin to cover one hun­dred quin­til­lion. The only metaphor that seems re­ally ap­pro­pri­ate is the bizarre dark mat­ter world.

      • Fleppensteyn
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        125 days ago

        Apparently nearly 70% of US is religious, so I don’t know why you’d be surprised about people believing in ghosts. I would even say you need a deeper understanding of the world to understand why ghosts can’t exist.

        • @Droechai@lemm.ee
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          225 days ago

          Do spirits of souls stay as ghost according to us christians? I thought one of the core tenets are that souls get judged and then accepted to heaven or thrown into the trash heap or hell depending on reading

  • @tal@lemmy.today
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    926 days ago

    EU citizens are not doing well when it comes to financial literacy. Nearly half lack an understanding of basic financial concepts, including inflation.

    I can believe that.

    On the other hand, I kind of suspect that one might see similar results here in the US, not to mention in other places.

  • @klisklas@feddit.de
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    626 days ago

    Even elected officials lack the basic understanding of inflation. Many think a declining inflation rate results in prices also declining and push policy according to that.

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    326 days ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The best performers were the Netherlands (43%), Denmark (40%), Finland (40%) and Estonia (39%) where about four in 10 respondents display a high level of financial knowledge.

    While the scores of France and Italy were slightly below the EU average, this figure was noticeably low in Spain at 19%.

    Proportion answering this question correctly (“Less than you could buy today”) was below 60% in Cyprus, Portugal, Greece, Romania, and Italy whereas Finland and Estonia had the highest share at 84%.

    The proportion with a high score varied between from 11% in Portugal and Latvia to 27% in Denmark, Slovenia and Sweden, and 28% in the Netherlands.

    To illustrate, when participants were asked whether they keep track and monitor their expenses, only 16% in Finland replied, “completely agree”.

    The EU is working to ensure that its citizens have the knowledge and skills they need to make good financial decisions.


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