• @catalyst@lemmy.world
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    61 month ago

    I know it won’t happen but I wish people would stop paying attention to Gruber. I used to follow him too so I get it but man did he go off the deep end hard.

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      1 month ago

      I think it’s pretty wild that criticizing something as ill-conceived, arbitrary, and protectionist government overreach will get you labeled as a fascist by some people.

  • paraphrand
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    The core reason Gruber won’t suggest leaving China is that everything is built there. (IMO, correct me if that’s wildly off base). That should have at least been mentioned. China really sort of has Apple by the balls in some ways.

    I agree that it seems like inconsistent thinking though. (EU vs China)

    • kirklennon
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      I agree that it seems like inconsistent thinking though. (EU vs China)

      The EU is ostensibly capitalist democracies. Publicly criticizing arbitrary and ill-conceived regulations, that can perhaps be improved, is useful. China makes no pretense about being a free country and I think the moral calculus is rather simple: are Chinese citizens better off with Apple there, doing the bare minimum to comply with Chinese law, or with Apple taking the “principled” stand of leaving?

      China banned Signal and WhatsApp but has not banned iMessage. If you want secure end-to-end encrypted messaging, iPhones offer that built right in. Apple could leave, but the inevitable result of that is less privacy for Chinese citizens. It’s a binary choice. Apple can’t make China free, but they can at least offer services without bending over backwards to go above and beyond the CCP’s demands, as Chinese companies do.

      I think Apple’s position is quite consistent: it tries to change the things it can change, fights the things it can fight, and does the bare minimum to comply with things that it doesn’t want to but must.