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    7 months ago

    I don’t necessarily disagree with that. I would hope Biden has leverage, Israel is a client state after all. But it’s also true that the Israeli government is fiercely independent as you said earlier.

    If the US weapon shipements don’t matter to Israel, Biden should hold shipments while he investigates crimes of genocide. He should also withhold diplomatic cover. That will help Biden at home, he can better show he’s trying to stop the genocide. And it may even get the far RW government ruling over Israel voted out of office. Biden is the best candidate in 2024, but I believe he can only win if he proves he’s doing everything to help the ME stay out of war. And what he has been doing isn’t enough IMO.

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        7 months ago

        I think the difference between us, you’d rather blame voters and I’d rather blame leaders. I used to blame voters as well until I realized very online people, who engage in politics, live in a different reality from average voters. And very online people are a tiny minority of voters. Most voters hate spending time learning about politics. If you don’t believe me, do phone banking, talk to normal voters.

        So when I’m say things like Joe Biden is risking this election being complicit with genocide, I’m not predicting how very online people are going to vote. I’m saying average voters seeing a horrible genocide, seeing the world on fire, are going to be less likely to vote for the one currently in the oval office.

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            7 months ago

            What am I sacrificing brother? I am one voter in a solid red state. My vote, like most Americans, doesn’t matter in the Electoral College. Why are you mad at me?

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                7 months ago

                You lost the plot, telling voters they can’t criticize a president while you sanctimoniously claim you are saving democracy. You really don’t see the problem with that?

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                    7 months ago

                    how about you stay out of a discussion with people who believe their votes DO matter?

                    You just told me I can’t criticize. Also the Electoral College absolutely disenfranchises most voters, I can’t believe I’m arguing with a fellow Biden voter that it doesn’t.

                    Continue blaming voters for Biden lackluster re-election campaign. If he continues this and loses, I’m sure the history books will give Joe a pass and blame all those voters he’s failing to enthuse.