the current outbreak of the virus that began in early 2022 has prompted officials to slaughter nearly 82 million birds, mostly egg-laying chickens, in 47 U.S. states
Queue to buy eggs kind of shortage? Food stamps to be able to buy kind of shortage? Or corporations using any reason to jack up prices kind of shortage?
The best part is they’ll raise prices due to “inflation” or whatever, then when supply increases…the prices don’t go down!
I’m honestly wondering what the end game is for these MBA asshats ruining everything. Is it really that many people so selfish and myopic that we have to suffocate on this one planet and never reach?
You know what the end game is, and if we could just cut to it while we still have a chance to at least kinda salvage the climate and biodiversity, that would be great.
The prices went back down right after the federal government announced a price fixing investigation and a bunch of news coverage came out about how their claims were bogus.
No, what I care about (in this context) is other people making arguments that they can’t substantiate. I’m not spending my time trying to substantiate someone else’s arguments, I spend enough time doing that for my own.
I have no need to prove that I’m right. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
The law of supply and demand is not real. When wealthy money addicts rip you off they pretend its a force of nature ripping you off. Behind every money transaction there is a human being with an address who made a choice.
Eggs? You can offer to buy and sell stocks at whatever price you want. You just won’t complete any trades if you offer to buy at $1 and sell at $1,000,000 dollars per share. If “supply and demand” didn’t exist, you could become a millionaire in one trade.
Although, I suspect what this person means is: many markets are not free from price collusion. The stock market is very liquid because there are many buyers and sellers. You literally cannot corner the market because it would require too much money, and it’s illegal.
This creates quick movements based on news and sentiment. Food prices do not operate this quickly, but they do move based on available supply and demand.
Other markets have much more collusion. When there are only three producers, collusion is inevitable. If one seller raises the price and still finds buyers, the other two will follow without any communication between them. The solution is doing whatever you can to not buy what they are selling. Demand moves markets, not supply. They are raising the price because people are paying it.
There’s also a thing called price gouging where companies fuck over the public because they know they can. And then they keep the prices artificially high even after supply increases two, three, four fold over demand. Because they know they can.
Not that I am suggesting corporations are corrupt and would let people starve just to make a profit. Heaven forfend.
To be clear, price gouging is an example of supply and demand
Keeping prices high is an example of price fixing, not supply and demand. It requires companies colluding with each other because, otherwise, one company would just lower their prices to get more business and make more money
Raising your prices by a reasonable amount to meet extra costs is supply and demand.
Raising your prices by three, four, five or six times a reasonable amount is gouging and is not supply and demand. It’s gouging and fucking over your customers, especially those who need your products.
I searched egg laying hen population by year. The end of 2022, after the culling, it was 377 million.
Based on the article another comment had, the 80 mil was total birds killed, not just egg hens, so it was likely actually less than the 17% I estimated.
Weber’s company, Sunrise Farms, had to slaughter its entire flock of egg-laying hens — 550,000 birds — to prevent the disease from infecting other farms in Sonoma County
During the past two months, nearly a dozen commercial farms have had to destroy more than 1 million birds to control the outbreak (as of 27 Jan 24)
the current outbreak of the virus that began in early 2022 has prompted officials to slaughter nearly 82 million birds, mostly egg-laying chickens, in 47 U.S. states
In California, the outbreak has impacted more than 7 million chickens in about 40 commercial flocks and 24 backyard flocks
I heard they jacked up prices due to the Avian Flu. They culled over 80,000,000 egg laying hens
That was 17% of the total population. The price went up by 400-900%, and there was never a shortage. As usual, we got shafted.
There absolutely was a shortage.
https://apnews.com/article/avian-flu-chicken-outbreak-california-poultry-eggs-976f0f82843bf716dbad64f459b4b8be
Getting downvoted, but no one has a factual counter argument.
Queue to buy eggs kind of shortage? Food stamps to be able to buy kind of shortage? Or corporations using any reason to jack up prices kind of shortage?
The best part is they’ll raise prices due to “inflation” or whatever, then when supply increases…the prices don’t go down!
I’m honestly wondering what the end game is for these MBA asshats ruining everything. Is it really that many people so selfish and myopic that we have to suffocate on this one planet and never reach?
You know what the end game is, and if we could just cut to it while we still have a chance to at least kinda salvage the climate and biodiversity, that would be great.
If the prices didn’t go up because of a shortage, because there was never a shortage, why did prices go back down again?
The law of supply and demand explains the price of eggs. If you’re saying it’s wrong then what’s your better egg-splanation?
The prices went back down right after the federal government announced a price fixing investigation and a bunch of news coverage came out about how their claims were bogus.
[citation needed]
It’s correlational, not causal. There isn’t going to be a definitive source on this
Then you can find it, if you really care.
The harder you look, the more conclusively you prove you’re right!
No, what I care about (in this context) is other people making arguments that they can’t substantiate. I’m not spending my time trying to substantiate someone else’s arguments, I spend enough time doing that for my own.
I have no need to prove that I’m right. Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
The law of supply and demand is not real. When wealthy money addicts rip you off they pretend its a force of nature ripping you off. Behind every money transaction there is a human being with an address who made a choice.
Lol, okay bud. If that’s the case you should start a business selling eggs for $100 each.
Eggs? You can offer to buy and sell stocks at whatever price you want. You just won’t complete any trades if you offer to buy at $1 and sell at $1,000,000 dollars per share. If “supply and demand” didn’t exist, you could become a millionaire in one trade.
Although, I suspect what this person means is: many markets are not free from price collusion. The stock market is very liquid because there are many buyers and sellers. You literally cannot corner the market because it would require too much money, and it’s illegal.
This creates quick movements based on news and sentiment. Food prices do not operate this quickly, but they do move based on available supply and demand.
Other markets have much more collusion. When there are only three producers, collusion is inevitable. If one seller raises the price and still finds buyers, the other two will follow without any communication between them. The solution is doing whatever you can to not buy what they are selling. Demand moves markets, not supply. They are raising the price because people are paying it.
Also, better regulation from the FTC would help.
Mike? Mike Nelson? Is that you?
“Eggs are complicated, they should cost like $100 each!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G0stojwYjI
Um, so you don’t think that when a commodity becomes more scarce that the demand for it increases as a consequence?
There’s also a thing called price gouging where companies fuck over the public because they know they can. And then they keep the prices artificially high even after supply increases two, three, four fold over demand. Because they know they can.
Not that I am suggesting corporations are corrupt and would let people starve just to make a profit. Heaven forfend.
To be clear, price gouging is an example of supply and demand
Keeping prices high is an example of price fixing, not supply and demand. It requires companies colluding with each other because, otherwise, one company would just lower their prices to get more business and make more money
Raising your prices by a reasonable amount to meet extra costs is supply and demand.
Raising your prices by three, four, five or six times a reasonable amount is gouging and is not supply and demand. It’s gouging and fucking over your customers, especially those who need your products.
Scarecety-induced demand is not law of supply and demand
Er, please explain your logic.
the law of supply and demand is only true in true capitalism. True capitalism doesn’t exist because it doesn’t work.
Hey I’d love to see the population stats, got a source?
I searched egg laying hen population by year. The end of 2022, after the culling, it was 377 million.
Based on the article another comment had, the 80 mil was total birds killed, not just egg hens, so it was likely actually less than the 17% I estimated.
This is very relevant.
https://apnews.com/article/avian-flu-chicken-outbreak-california-poultry-eggs-976f0f82843bf716dbad64f459b4b8be
Also, shit: https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/01/texas-cows-bird-flu-human-infection/
The numbers are insane. Over a million chickens
Some (at least) were killed brutally. Gassed in the hen houses, panicking as they died, trying to peck their way out. Poor birds.
I don’t advise you to look up what they do when they find out a chick is a male.
That’s just in Sonoma County, between Dec '23 and Jan '24.