No, it means I am against, but in the case that the women didn’t have a choice (like rape), I’d be sorry for the baby and be very sad, it would still be bad for the child, but I’d accept it with a heavy heart for the child
Well, if I kill someone In a car crash, depending if I did it on purpose or not, of the person I killed was trying to commit a crime against me or not, I I get different legal consequences.
This is a women/couple aborts because of rape, it was clearly not her intention to be raped and she should not be treated as someone who aborted by thinking “whatever, I just don’t like this fetus”
Well, only spoiled children want to do whatever they want and don’t be accountable for it.
If you can’t use your brain to take Biology into account before having unprotected sex while fertile, I suggest you remove your uterus or if you are a man you do vasectomy
By abortion as contraceptive I mean “I don’t want to use a condom, I’ll just abort later”. I am against that.
If someone don’t want to have a child, just use a condom, or do a vasectomy, or remove the uterus, or use a intra uterine device, or any other method, but don’t banalize it with the mindset “whatever, I’ll just abort it later”
I mean, if the fetus is 2 or 2 weeks old (I can’t pinpoint an exact date, would have to ask some doctors), for me it’s clearly not a person, cannot feel pain and has no instinct of self preservation. In this case a “next day pill” or something similar wouldn’t be bad for in my view.
Up to which week of pregnancy and which conditions would you think it’s ok to abort, and above hoe many weeks and conditions would you say it’s not ok to abort?
Okay, so survival instinct and pain response? Like any animal? I guess I get that, I’m vegan after all.
But that leaves a gaping hole in your justification for a fetus conceived from rape. They develop the same as any fetus. What’s the difference? Isn’t this literally a case of punishing the fetus for the sins of the father?
As for me, I don’t believe any restrictions on abortion are legitimate and recognize pregnancy as a burden that the fetus has no right to inflict it on anybody. Personhood is irrelevant to me because abortion is self defense.
I don’t talk I’m terms of sin because it makes no sense for me.
Yes, a women has rights over her body, but a fetus is clearly not her body. A women would not remove her liver or her legs. The fetus depends on her body, but is not her body. A doctor cannot turn off a life support system on a patience just by saying "its my life support device "
For me there’s a collision of rights: the rights of the women to her body, the right of the baby to it’s life, the right of the father to not have his child murdered (if he opposed it).
The fact the a women/human has much more power over a defenseless baby doesn’t change the collision of rights, specially when since 1970 12 million babies were killed in abortion.
For me there should be conditions in which it’s cirminalized and conditions in which it’s not.
Yes, a women has rights over her body, but a fetus is clearly not her body. A women would not remove her liver or her legs. The fetus depends on her body, but is not her body. A doctor cannot turn off a life support system on a patience just by saying "its my life support device "
Pregnancy is a harm being inflicted and we have a right to defend ourselves from harm. It is self defense. A doctor does not have the right to kill in defense of property, but we all have the right to kill in defense of our bodies.
You are not answering the other, much bigger question. Why is a fetus conceived by rape less deserving of life? I say you’re punishing the fetus for the sins of the father because you’re condemning it to death. Why?
If you see the discussion here, there was people defending abort at any time, under any circumstances (ie, on the 8th month just because “I changed my mind”)
Something I’ve been thinking about recently, maybe you can help-
If you believe abortion is murder, then it seems you believe it is okay to murder the children of rapists.
I said in case of rape I’m for abortion.
This whole abort: yes or no is stupid. It depends on situation.
I am against abortion as contraceptive. For other edge cases I’m open to it.
If your moral beliefs about murder are circumstantial, they’re not your morals, they’re your opinions.
If you truly believe abortion is murder, rape babies have a right to be born.
If you believe in exceptions for rape, shows what you really care about is controlling women. Basically “the only moral abortion is my own”.
No, it means I am against, but in the case that the women didn’t have a choice (like rape), I’d be sorry for the baby and be very sad, it would still be bad for the child, but I’d accept it with a heavy heart for the child
You’re playing word games here. Is it murder to abort a rape baby?
If you accept it with a heavy heart, you’re acknowledging abortion is not murder.
Murder is wrong, but your ”heavy heart” does not justify taking away a woman’s right to control her body.
Well, if I kill someone In a car crash, depending if I did it on purpose or not, of the person I killed was trying to commit a crime against me or not, I I get different legal consequences.
This is a women/couple aborts because of rape, it was clearly not her intention to be raped and she should not be treated as someone who aborted by thinking “whatever, I just don’t like this fetus”
Sounds like you want to ban abortion as a way of controlling women’s sexuality.
Well, only spoiled children want to do whatever they want and don’t be accountable for it.
If you can’t use your brain to take Biology into account before having unprotected sex while fertile, I suggest you remove your uterus or if you are a man you do vasectomy
Did you even read anything they said?
Please explain yourself. Why are you for abortion in the case of rape and why are you against abortion as contraceptive?
By abortion as contraceptive I mean “I don’t want to use a condom, I’ll just abort later”. I am against that.
If someone don’t want to have a child, just use a condom, or do a vasectomy, or remove the uterus, or use a intra uterine device, or any other method, but don’t banalize it with the mindset “whatever, I’ll just abort it later”
Yes, I already knew what you meant.
I want the why. What’s wrong with the mindset “whatever, I’ll just abort it later” and why are you against it?
I mean, if the fetus is 2 or 2 weeks old (I can’t pinpoint an exact date, would have to ask some doctors), for me it’s clearly not a person, cannot feel pain and has no instinct of self preservation. In this case a “next day pill” or something similar wouldn’t be bad for in my view.
Up to which week of pregnancy and which conditions would you think it’s ok to abort, and above hoe many weeks and conditions would you say it’s not ok to abort?
Okay, so survival instinct and pain response? Like any animal? I guess I get that, I’m vegan after all.
But that leaves a gaping hole in your justification for a fetus conceived from rape. They develop the same as any fetus. What’s the difference? Isn’t this literally a case of punishing the fetus for the sins of the father?
As for me, I don’t believe any restrictions on abortion are legitimate and recognize pregnancy as a burden that the fetus has no right to inflict it on anybody. Personhood is irrelevant to me because abortion is self defense.
I don’t talk I’m terms of sin because it makes no sense for me.
Yes, a women has rights over her body, but a fetus is clearly not her body. A women would not remove her liver or her legs. The fetus depends on her body, but is not her body. A doctor cannot turn off a life support system on a patience just by saying "its my life support device "
For me there’s a collision of rights: the rights of the women to her body, the right of the baby to it’s life, the right of the father to not have his child murdered (if he opposed it).
The fact the a women/human has much more power over a defenseless baby doesn’t change the collision of rights, specially when since 1970 12 million babies were killed in abortion.
For me there should be conditions in which it’s cirminalized and conditions in which it’s not.
Pregnancy is a harm being inflicted and we have a right to defend ourselves from harm. It is self defense. A doctor does not have the right to kill in defense of property, but we all have the right to kill in defense of our bodies.
You are not answering the other, much bigger question. Why is a fetus conceived by rape less deserving of life? I say you’re punishing the fetus for the sins of the father because you’re condemning it to death. Why?
And if the condom fails, is abortion then okay?
I don’t have anything against the next day pill or abortion on the first 2/3 monthes
Well, isn’t “abortion on the first three months” just a long version of what is meant in general when talking about abortion?
It’s e.g. a 7th-month-abortion really a thing in your country or any country at all?
If you see the discussion here, there was people defending abort at any time, under any circumstances (ie, on the 8th month just because “I changed my mind”)