Of course it is! Just because you and I get it, doesn’t mean it can’t or shouldn’t be made easier. My mom can’t even remember how to find and install an app on Android. Normies cannot be expected to wrap their heads around the mere concept of the terminal. Ever.
It’s not a divide if I don’t make fun of those people or belittle them.
Then what exactly is this post?
we choose to do things differently than you.
They, not you. I’m on arch, but that didn’t stop me from installing VanillaOS for my sister to use on her laptop.
Of course it is! Just because you and I get it, doesn’t mean it can’t or shouldn’t be made easier. My mom can’t even remember how to find and install an app on Android. Normies cannot be expected to wrap their heads around the mere concept of the terminal. Ever.
I agree with you up to a point, but not all the way. Write her the template for the command on a piece of paper, and trust me, after a few attempts, she will get it right.
And even if she can’t get it right, that’s OK, it’s not a problem, that’s why GUI installers exist. I may not get why she can’t learn a simple command, but that’s OK, I also don’t understand a lot of other things, which doesn’t mean they don’t or shouldn’t exist.
Then what exactly is this post?
Hey, I didn’t start it 🤷. I don’t start to poke, but I will poke back if I’m being poked.
There is so much more to understanding the terminal, than memorizing a command. For one, you’ll have to want to learn.
And I wouldn’t be giving my mother ANY commands on paper notes until I’m sure she understands what a root user is and why she shouldn’t “sudo” everything since “that’s what makes apt install work”.
If she really needed to use some CLI application, I’d write a bash script for her to double click.
You do not give a noob user free reign over an install you don’t want to come back and repair.
If you agree that ease of use has a case, then the meme wasn’t even poking fun at you, it’s poking fun at the people who vehemently believe the terminal is the first and last tool anyone should use.
You took a meme seriously, and started a fight with strangers.
If you agree that ease of use has a case, then the meme wasn’t even poking fun at you, it’s poking fun at the people who vehemently believe the terminal is the first and last tool anyone should use.
No, I believe it just pokes fun at people that would rather use it than not use it, even though there are other options.
I won’t comment on the rest, I just have a different take on it.
You took a meme seriously, and started a fight with strangers.
Nope, that’s what the OP on reddit did. Why poke fun at people for wanting to use the terminal? Isn’t that what memes essentially are, making fun of something?
I am not dead set, that is what happened when the OP on reddit posted this meme.
OK, let’s step back for a moment and say that, OK, it’s not retarded, maybe the meme depicts these people as stupid… or gullible… or just doing things not in corelation with what we have in the 21st century… why would you do that 🤨. I could make up a 100 memes about people not knowing anything beyond Snaps and Flatpaks (not only that, but using a GUI to install them), when there is clearly a more, not only native, but also optimal, way of doing it, but I don’t. Why? Because I believe that that’s a personal choice. You don’t wanna bother with terminal commands, that’s fine, use whatever UI you like to install packages/Snaps/Flatpaks on your sustem, I have no objection. But calling the default way of doing just about anything on a UNIX based OS stupid, out of date, out of touch with reality, or whatever… excuse me, but you’re the one that’s stupid. It’s like saying “you know what, we have MCUs now and pretty much any protocol works with any other, they all have translations in software/firmware, voltage levels don’t really matter, 3.3V is interpetted as a 1, even though this thing needs 5V, so… yeah, you don’t need to know much more than that about electronics, just buy a bunch of modules, mash them together, it should work, and hey, if it doesn’t, tough luck, mash them up in a different way, you’ll eventually find the right patch that works 😉 👍” is OK as a POV when teaching new engineers about electronics basics.
You wanna learn something? You start from the ground up. You wanna use a GUI for installing apps on Linux? Fine, but don’t for one second think you’re smarter than thousands of users and devs that have used Linux for more than 30 years.
You are really salty about this for someone who claims they don’t care.
No-one is lording their superiority over you. You just have an inferiority complex because the majority has decided to prioritise different things from what you would choose. And when someone takes shots at people who think “their” idea of optimal is the one true solution, it hits a bit close to home.
Again, stop saying you, I’m right there with you at the terminal, I’m just not dumb enough to think we can or should bring everyone else up here.
And why the fuck would I think those users having the OS hold their hands are the smart ones? The whole point is that dumb people should get to use computers, too.
You are really salty about this for someone who claims they don’t care.
I don’t care as long as the other party doesn’t care as well.
No-one is lording their superiority over you. You just have an inferiority complex because the majority has decided to prioritise different things from what you would choose. And when someone takes shots at people who think “their” idea of optimal is the one true solution, it hits a bit close to home.
It litelarly is more optimal… faster, better… fuck, I’m not gonna quote Daft Punk 😂.
Again, stop saying you, I’m right there with you at the terminal, I’m just not dumb enough to think we can or should bring everyone else up here.
Not trying to bring them over to the dark side. Just don’t say it’s “drrrr 🤪” when you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
And why the fuck would I think those users having the OS hold their hands are the smart ones? The whole point is that dumb people should get to use computers, too.
They should, I completely agree… but they should know their place, just like I know mine. I don’t pretend I’m a dev just because I wrote a few stupid apps and open a few PRs here and there. I’m a geek, that’s all.
Of course it is! Just because you and I get it, doesn’t mean it can’t or shouldn’t be made easier. My mom can’t even remember how to find and install an app on Android. Normies cannot be expected to wrap their heads around the mere concept of the terminal. Ever.
Then what exactly is this post?
They, not you. I’m on arch, but that didn’t stop me from installing VanillaOS for my sister to use on her laptop.
I agree with you up to a point, but not all the way. Write her the template for the command on a piece of paper, and trust me, after a few attempts, she will get it right.
And even if she can’t get it right, that’s OK, it’s not a problem, that’s why GUI installers exist. I may not get why she can’t learn a simple command, but that’s OK, I also don’t understand a lot of other things, which doesn’t mean they don’t or shouldn’t exist.
Hey, I didn’t start it 🤷. I don’t start to poke, but I will poke back if I’m being poked.
There is so much more to understanding the terminal, than memorizing a command. For one, you’ll have to want to learn.
And I wouldn’t be giving my mother ANY commands on paper notes until I’m sure she understands what a root user is and why she shouldn’t “sudo” everything since “that’s what makes
apt installwork”.If she really needed to use some CLI application, I’d write a bash script for her to double click.
You do not give a noob user free reign over an install you don’t want to come back and repair.
If you agree that ease of use has a case, then the meme wasn’t even poking fun at you, it’s poking fun at the people who vehemently believe the terminal is the first and last tool anyone should use.
You took a meme seriously, and started a fight with strangers.
No, I believe it just pokes fun at people that would rather use it than not use it, even though there are other options.
I won’t comment on the rest, I just have a different take on it.
Nope, that’s what the OP on reddit did. Why poke fun at people for wanting to use the terminal? Isn’t that what memes essentially are, making fun of something?
You are dead set on being offended, huh?
I am not dead set, that is what happened when the OP on reddit posted this meme.
OK, let’s step back for a moment and say that, OK, it’s not retarded, maybe the meme depicts these people as stupid… or gullible… or just doing things not in corelation with what we have in the 21st century… why would you do that 🤨. I could make up a 100 memes about people not knowing anything beyond Snaps and Flatpaks (not only that, but using a GUI to install them), when there is clearly a more, not only native, but also optimal, way of doing it, but I don’t. Why? Because I believe that that’s a personal choice. You don’t wanna bother with terminal commands, that’s fine, use whatever UI you like to install packages/Snaps/Flatpaks on your sustem, I have no objection. But calling the default way of doing just about anything on a UNIX based OS stupid, out of date, out of touch with reality, or whatever… excuse me, but you’re the one that’s stupid. It’s like saying “you know what, we have MCUs now and pretty much any protocol works with any other, they all have translations in software/firmware, voltage levels don’t really matter, 3.3V is interpetted as a 1, even though this thing needs 5V, so… yeah, you don’t need to know much more than that about electronics, just buy a bunch of modules, mash them together, it should work, and hey, if it doesn’t, tough luck, mash them up in a different way, you’ll eventually find the right patch that works 😉 👍” is OK as a POV when teaching new engineers about electronics basics.
You wanna learn something? You start from the ground up. You wanna use a GUI for installing apps on Linux? Fine, but don’t for one second think you’re smarter than thousands of users and devs that have used Linux for more than 30 years.
You are really salty about this for someone who claims they don’t care.
No-one is lording their superiority over you. You just have an inferiority complex because the majority has decided to prioritise different things from what you would choose. And when someone takes shots at people who think “their” idea of optimal is the one true solution, it hits a bit close to home.
Again, stop saying you, I’m right there with you at the terminal, I’m just not dumb enough to think we can or should bring everyone else up here.
And why the fuck would I think those users having the OS hold their hands are the smart ones? The whole point is that dumb people should get to use computers, too.
I don’t care as long as the other party doesn’t care as well.
It litelarly is more optimal… faster, better… fuck, I’m not gonna quote Daft Punk 😂.
Not trying to bring them over to the dark side. Just don’t say it’s “drrrr 🤪” when you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
They should, I completely agree… but they should know their place, just like I know mine. I don’t pretend I’m a dev just because I wrote a few stupid apps and open a few PRs here and there. I’m a geek, that’s all.
I’m starting to think you are exactly the elitist gatekeeper the original meme was aimed at.
Close to home? More like bullseye.
You’re even defending your optimal as if your circumstance were the only one that counts.