• redfellow
    link
    118 months ago

    It does, but Valve doesn’t spend money in taking any responsibility over it. Also I presume anticheat might not work properly.

    In any scenario, the translation layer has a performance impact which for any competitive player is something that makes Apple a no-go.

    • Aatube
      cake
      link
      fedilink
      38 months ago

      Actually, they kinda do take responsibility for mac gaming. They helped develop https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK which basically runs Vulkan on Metal. The Linux version uses Vulkan, so in theory it shouldn’t be too hard to port, they just didn’t.

      • redfellow
        link
        18 months ago

        Because, again, they don’t want bad press when the translation layer doesn’t play ball with anticheat, or some other tech.

        • Aatube
          cake
          link
          fedilink
          08 months ago

          it’s literally just graphics, does nothing with anticheat, look at reshade, unless you use library-modifying addons it won’t be picked up by anticheat

          • redfellow
            link
            18 months ago

            Lol. It most definitely is not.

            • Aatube
              cake
              link
              fedilink
              1
              edit-2
              8 months ago

              Elaborate? Are you confusing MoltenVK with wine?

    • @mingistech@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      -48 months ago

      That’s funny because my son compared CS2 on my MacBook Pro vs his RTX 3060 PC build we put together last winter and he said how much more responsive the game felt on the Mac.

      • redfellow
        link
        1
        edit-2
        8 months ago

        That it works is one thing. That it always works as expected is another. Apple doesn’t want to take responsibility for that, and neither does Valve, when there’s not enough paying customers on that platform. It is what it is. Now the Proton layer is one thing, because Valve is selling Steam Decks. They will want that to become a big thing. They’ll go back to selling Steam Boxes (the living room console thing).

        If Apple wants to ride that wave, they could.

        • @mingistech@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          -18 months ago

          Yes, CodeWeavers takes responsibility, Crossover is their product. Same company that originally created Proton for Valve. Solid product.

          • redfellow
            link
            08 months ago

            Wrong. Just fucking wrong. Graphics was solved ages ago. Anticheat for mp has not.

            • Aatube
              cake
              link
              fedilink
              18 months ago

              CS:GO had anticheat and was on Mac for ages. Granted they updated it to Live, but the underlying principles of design are still the same.

            • @mingistech@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              08 months ago

              No you’re wrong. MP works just fine in CS2.

              No need to have a meltdown because Mac users are enjoying the game too. lol.

            • @mingistech@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              08 months ago

              We were discussing who supports the product. But interestingly CodeWeavers is responsible for over two-thirds of all commits to Wine, and the company also employs Wine’s primary maintainer, Alexandre Julliard, as its CTO.