Reddit CEO says facial verification may be introduced. Ostensibly to prevent bots.
But we all know how dangerous this can be. But most likely Reddit users will just accept it.
Although they have a great free analogue right under their noses - Lemmy. Which is many times better than its competitor.
I wish more people would discover Lemmy, but that’s unlikely.
So, you want to hire hundreds of thousands of moderators? The human is smarter, yeah, but not the bot doing the detection.
You say it like “tuning them” is a magic trick, where they wave their hands a couple of times, and now the detection algorithms are smarter than the bots writing the comments. SOMEONE has to go in, and figure out the maths to make the detection algorithms smarter and better at detecting. That takes time and resources.
You’re also forgetting that “tuning them” works both ways. The people writing the shit-post bots also work on improving their tools, to make them indistinguishable from human posts.
Also: how can you tall that “lol, kys noob” is written by a human, or by a bot? The vast majority of comments online are these short shit-comments.
I don’t know where this is coming from. Nobody is being hired. If anything I’m becoming more anti-mod lately. I feel like put boxes on things that suck oxygen out of the room rapidly. But that’s a different discussion.
Maybe I’m reading this wrong but to clarify I am not saying we need to build our own bot detection but I would be a nice have eventually. I am saying we should be crowd sourcing our collective anger and ADHD or Autism or whatever drives us to post bean moth lemmy slop and instead focus on collection of the worst bot infestations. There are patterns. Bots are not random enough that they can’t be identified with large crowd sourced efforts. They’re also in their infancy which means it will only get harder going forward.
You or I aren’t able to avaliable accurately tell right now. Have you ever seen the Sinclair news video? The one where every news station repeats the same dialogue. Can you or I flip on the news any day of the week and call that out, unlikely. But we can logical understand it is something that happens. It becomes obvious there is a script only when you collect the data and begin to analyze it. That is what I’m saying we need to figure out and gamify.
Name generation, text, patterns. At the start it won’t be accurate. But as more data is collected it’ll become obvious. If the bots were that good, these websites would have left their APIs open. But they closed them so we can’t collect this data. I’m the type of person when powerful people do something like that, I want to know why and work around that. It’s not a coincidence that they locked their sites up when people were given tools where anyone could collect data and feed it into AI for analysis.
Our inaction to do anything when the greatest opportunities are right in front of us but slipping away is a tragedy of this generation.
That’s what “being a moderator” is, mate. You want hundreds of thousands of moderators.
You’re wrong.
You just said:
So, which is it?
There’s a massive difference between local news stations receiving a script to read out, and a bot farm having a “be negative, unfriendly, sow chaos” instruction.
So, it just won’t work? Got it.
I don’t think you undersand what you’re talking about. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to be contrarian here, I just honestly think that your idea of “AI bots” is kind of like “we have prepared one million sentences, and now our bots will be picking between them to generate whole posts on social networks”.
I mean, sure, there can be patterns - like the whole “LinkedIn post” style, where most of the time it’s fairly obvious that you’re reading an AI-generated slop… But that’s not what state-entities or even just hackers use. They have access to much more sophisticated content.
Reddit’s API is no longer open. Didn’t do a thing to stop bots.
You don’t need however many API keys to collect that kind of data. At least not from Reddit.
Your proposed action is the equivalent of Sisyphus and his stone. Because you really seem to be forgetting that the AI tech is getting better all the time. And that any AI-detection actions you take feed that process. “Oh, they’ve detected these posts? OK, let’s tweak the algo until we get through and then flood them with our content”.
Let’s even assume that you somehow pull it off and get a 100% detection rate as of right now. Six months down the line that will go down to 20%. Etc. etc. And you’ll be catching thousands of legitimate users in the crossfire.
An anonymous “proof of humanity” token solves all AI issues without anyone having to spend billions on research and manpower.
It’s just building and gamify strategically. There’s no magic here. It works. Bots can adapt all they want. They’re still constraint and limited by technology and money.
What is magic is humans ability to use inference and deduction to see things that are not right in front of us. It’s hard to see this online especially the way some conversations go… but regardless of that, people could easily detect patterns that are used in the wild. We just need data. Lemmy communities are perfectly set up for this for now.
How much of what I wrote so far was done via an LLM?
That’s not the point. There is no issue with random people using LLM to craft their messages. The issue is using a network of bots to promote the latest marvel movie. Draw attention to the latest political blunder. Or just groups trying to push people further to the edges politically until nothing works.
Look at this fucking guy. Likely not a bot. But is an example of someone who is posting pattern is suspicious. It needs to be studied. That’s something we can’t do. But we can collect and analyze in a way that i think people can get into. I think using the internet and sites like lemmy for this is way more effective any most stuff people are trying to do. This he what the internet was made for and the only people not using it for this seems to be leftist groups.
You have just defined why your method doesn’t work.
You either detect AI by their language or you don’t.
But, I think, I know what you mean. Your idea is like Bat-sonar, the super-totally-not-magical computer he built in the second or third Nolan film that allowed him to spy on everybody and thus detect crimes faster.
You want a system that would monitor ALL content online and detect “patterns”. Like, “huh, weirdly, we have XXX number of people writing positively about the new JJ Abrams film”, or “check it out, in the past hour we’ve had 43243 comments negative about MAGA”.
Right?
If so: mate… You require literal magic to pull it off. WAY too many false positives or just impossible to trace dependencies. You would have to not only monitor for these patterns, but also associate them with any real-world events (ALL events), because maybe a Polish nationalist politician said something about the financing methods of their military, which got popular on russian Twitter, got a funny anti-MAGA retweet by a Ukrainian, ended up as a reaction video on British TikTok, and got posted to Reddit where it got upvoted to r/All and received 43243 100% legitimate comments complaining about MAGA.
Funnily enough, if anything, MAYBE a complex enough AI system would be capable of finding these patterns, but there’s absolutely no physical possibility of humans doing that.
Hey,
What do you think crowd sourcing means. Like what is your definition in relation to building whatever it is you’re describing. How did you get there?
It means a bunch of people doing working in very narrow fields that need to be connected by someone with an overarching view, but there are so many so small fields, that it’s impossible for a human to handle. In this particular case.
Unless you figured out telepathy. Then I retract my statements - a large enough network of directly connected telepaths could do this.