I am forced to use a MacBook at work and I fricking hate it. The software follows such strange HIGs. Just look at the finder. Why is the default action on a folder/file to RENAME it? If I press enter on a folder I want to enter it, if I press enter on a file I want to open it.
Why does apples keyboard layout with DEde Locale is so utterly strange compared to IBM keyboard layouts?
Why do they not print atleast the second modifier row on the keys?
To use Macintosh’s you really need to think differently.
But yeah the interconnection inside it’s eco system is pretty neat.
Also, why whine about drivers for something from 2004? You, certainly as a apple user, don’t have anything that old anyway. And the option to be able to use stuff from that age by installing a driver is super useful.
Im not Sure what you’re implying with that bit about not having anything that old. Yeah I do and when I plug it in it works immediately no windows bullshit it just works every time.
Why is the default action on a folder/file to RENAME it? If I press enter on a folder I want to enter it, if I press enter on a file I want to open it.
The Mac is mouse-centric. You double click to open anything , you right-click to access other operations.
If you single-click and then start using using the keyboard, it’s a fair bet that you want to rename it.
I’m pretty sure opt-enter will actually open the file if you want to open it… or cmd-O, of course
The Mac is mouse-centric. You double click to open anything , you right-click to access other operations.
Or command+click because up until osx, or even way later than that macOS didnt even had rightclick.
If you single-click and then start using using the keyboard, it’s a fair bet that you want to rename it.
I didn’t single-click on an item. I moved to the item with CURSOR KEYS and then hit enter. Why does the finder half asses this interaction (and moving a folder up) while moving the cursor and selecting/unselecting items is done like on other plattforms?
I’m pretty sure opt-enter will actually open the file if you want to open it… or cmd-O, of course
Or command+click because up until osx, or even way later than that macOS didnt even had rightclick.
The Mac introduced right click with System 8 in 1997. The keyboard equivalent is ctrl-click, by the way - not command click.
Why does the finder half asses this interaction (and moving a folder up) while moving the cursor and selecting/unselecting items is done like on other plattforms?
Not sure what you mean. Holding shift while using the keyboard (or mouse) will let you select multiple contiguous items. Hold cmd to select items dotted about.
Not really, CMD-O for open, together with CMD-C for copy, CMD-V for paste etc were introduced in 1982 with the Apple Lisa.
As I say, Finder is primarily designed to be mouse driven, so most people will be using double-click to open, otherwise CMD-O is your friend.
The good news There is a tiny bit of freeware available called “PresButan” that will let you modify the Finder behaviour match your preferences. You can grab it here: http://briankendall.net/presButan/index.htm
No I am saying that the Finder nearly got everything right in regards to keyboard interacting EXCEPT going up a Folder, entering a folder or executing a folder.
cmd-o is ONLY required on the macOS while other OSses and Systems just require a simple Enter-keystroke. That’s my issue! Needing a Daemon to fix this issue is quite odd to me.
I think the problem is that you are keyboard-centric and the Finder, since its introduction is mouse-centric. Therefore the assumption is that if you have selected a file, whatever you’re going to do to it - ‘Open’ isn’t likely. Afterall, if you were going to open it, you would have double clicked on it, or dragged it on top of an application icon.
You can argue that that’s “bad” if you want - and OK. But the daemon will fix if for you.
Similarly, the mechanisms for going up a folder (and there are many) are mouse-centric.
The walled golden garden is great isn’t it?
I am forced to use a MacBook at work and I fricking hate it. The software follows such strange HIGs. Just look at the finder. Why is the default action on a folder/file to RENAME it? If I press enter on a folder I want to enter it, if I press enter on a file I want to open it.
Why does apples keyboard layout with DEde Locale is so utterly strange compared to IBM keyboard layouts?
Why do they not print atleast the second modifier row on the keys?
To use Macintosh’s you really need to think differently.
But yeah the interconnection inside it’s eco system is pretty neat.
Also, why whine about drivers for something from 2004? You, certainly as a apple user, don’t have anything that old anyway. And the option to be able to use stuff from that age by installing a driver is super useful.
Im not Sure what you’re implying with that bit about not having anything that old. Yeah I do and when I plug it in it works immediately no windows bullshit it just works every time.
The Mac is mouse-centric. You double click to open anything , you right-click to access other operations.
If you single-click and then start using using the keyboard, it’s a fair bet that you want to rename it.
I’m pretty sure opt-enter will actually open the file if you want to open it… or cmd-O, of course
Or command+click because up until osx, or even way later than that macOS didnt even had rightclick.
I didn’t single-click on an item. I moved to the item with CURSOR KEYS and then hit enter. Why does the finder half asses this interaction (and moving a folder up) while moving the cursor and selecting/unselecting items is done like on other plattforms?
And this doesn’t strike you as being unintuitive?
The Mac introduced right click with System 8 in 1997. The keyboard equivalent is ctrl-click, by the way - not command click.
Not sure what you mean. Holding shift while using the keyboard (or mouse) will let you select multiple contiguous items. Hold cmd to select items dotted about.
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201236 May be a helpful read
Not really, CMD-O for open, together with CMD-C for copy, CMD-V for paste etc were introduced in 1982 with the Apple Lisa.
As I say, Finder is primarily designed to be mouse driven, so most people will be using double-click to open, otherwise CMD-O is your friend.
The good news There is a tiny bit of freeware available called “PresButan” that will let you modify the Finder behaviour match your preferences. You can grab it here: http://briankendall.net/presButan/index.htm
Enjoy!
No I am saying that the Finder nearly got everything right in regards to keyboard interacting EXCEPT going up a Folder, entering a folder or executing a folder.
cmd-o is ONLY required on the macOS while other OSses and Systems just require a simple Enter-keystroke. That’s my issue! Needing a Daemon to fix this issue is quite odd to me.
What is wrong about going up a folder?
I think the problem is that you are keyboard-centric and the Finder, since its introduction is mouse-centric. Therefore the assumption is that if you have selected a file, whatever you’re going to do to it - ‘Open’ isn’t likely. Afterall, if you were going to open it, you would have double clicked on it, or dragged it on top of an application icon.
You can argue that that’s “bad” if you want - and OK. But the daemon will fix if for you.
Similarly, the mechanisms for going up a folder (and there are many) are mouse-centric.