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@jakob I wouldn’t say “microsoft has won” just yet. Plenty of legal challenges to open-source have occurred and failed in the past, this is a proposed law in one region, and a lot of these community open-source repositories break the law anyway, by distributing clearly patent encumbered software, because it would be very unprofitable to sue them. (Only corporate-sponsored distros like Fedora and Clear Linux really care about complying with FOSS-hostile laws like software patents, mostly because they ARE profitable to sue.)

Definitely don’t give up on your beliefs just because it seems tough to follow them, there is always something to do. Fight against laws that force centralization like this. Keep developing your software until there’s a direct, credible legal threat, and possibly after if you’re open to civil disobedience.

@rysiek yeah, that’s the sort of distinction I was looking for. thanks!

@alma @anders this also presents the opportunity to allow users to consent to being listed, as ryziek has been arguing for elsewhere in this thread.

@rysiek I was not talking precisely about scraping toots, I was asking whether you consider Google, Bing, etc uses of opt-out web spiders to be unethical, but fair enough. (Also, not interested in defending OP given the clarification that he is talking about searching the fediverse.)

@rysiek (though if you’d like to argue that search/spidering requires opt-in consent in all cases, I’m happy to hear that argument)

@rysiek I don’t think Anders is asking about a search engine for the fediverse, this sounds more like a federated or P2P Google/DuckDuckGo replacement.

@anders There would need to be a way for that search engine to collect data that is both possible to contribute to as an individual, and doesn’t unintentionally DDoS sites it indexes, and that’s the challenge I think. Spiders collect a LOT of data. Right now the closest thing we have to decentralized search, is metasearch engines like Searx, which query and cache results from all the major search providers that run their own spiders.

@eshep @serenity @rom That’s not always because of a speed issue though. I usually see that on messages that were boosted or searched recently, in which case it’s no different from other AP servers.

@rom @serenity eh, it’s not blazing fast but it’s quite usable and definitely beats Misskey/Calckey in that department

@TechGuru_007 Honestly, since Invidious is an unauthenticated webapp that stores very little, and I’m guessing piped is too, which instance you pick matters a lot less. Just pick a reasonably fast and up-to-date one.

The Invidious website has an auto-picker, but it seems to be down right now, so I’ll just link invidious.garudalinux.org/feed… since it seems reasonably fast from where I am.

@OptimusPrime It’s likely that this news article is using a different data source (e.g. instances.social) but you can go to [software].fediverse.observer/stats to see the data that @fediverseobserver has collected about this (their numbers are usually lower than the popular data from instances.social due to excluding dead instances, but they include Diaspora). For example, lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats shows 1422 monthly active users for Lemmy.

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@LemmyPistolero Expect a learning curve either way - Fedora isn’t the easiest distro out there - but you’ll likely find Fedora Workstation easier to use than Silverblue. Silverblue is experimental, and will make it impossible to follow some online guides, and possibly limit the software available to you.

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@lemmyreader kind.social/@f00fc7c8/10940798…

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@nutomic Looks similar to my thread about the history of the fediverse, but more well-sourced and acting as a more comprehensive list of platforms. Neat!

Though, was that first use of “fediverse” about the federated social web?