Also avoiding tax and/or hyper inflation due to poor governance. Typically the main uses I’ve seen beyond the classic scams. I’m not that deep into the culture but have a casual understanding of the underlying technology aka a function that has a set finite amount of solutions in a very large solution space and a distributed ledger. With what’s come out in the Epstein files, seems like it was a good way for not just individuals but corps and governments to move dirty money around for a while but with the WWIII situation being pushed and a possible dissolution of the US everyone’s running back to something more tangible, namely Gold, which itself has tenuous value thus the billionaire and trillionaires are building their bunkers and holding summits on how to maintain control over their guards when money no longer has value. The smartest of the bunch will likely use a hyper potent or fanatical form of this or that religion to attempt to maintain control or hope this whole shit show keeps going until we have sufficient robots. Then we have the few outliers who are trying to set up space colonies of one form or another. To totally ditch their mess.

You all are helpless. I hope you stop destroying the environment while there’s still a sliver of a chance or I guess continually kick the can down the way. You don’t have links? You don’t have primary sources? I don’t agree with the methodology of these studies? I have one paper that says your meta analysis of hundreds or thousands of papers is false. Can we cut to the chase here where you kick the can so far down the road that it becomes nonsensical and then still refuse to change your mindset?

The efforts in parroting the work and opinion of nearly every environmental and ecological researcher to you to then end up with you just dusting it off is a needless task for me.

So you want me to repost these links to you or what? Also the claims were linked to research as you so diligently collected, although at this moment 14:46UTC 21 June 2026 I haven’t fully gone through. I do indeed have other things to do but if you’re willing to take a month or two we can get through each and every last syllable together while likely adding papers.

A source of nutrition is superior if it’s not heavily associated with ecological collapse. Humans and their food do not exist alone and the true cost and value of things should in some circumstances be calculated in full. Like for example I can say gasoline is the superior fuel for transport but that’s without any awareness of the global circumstances. This is all on topic just in a way that doesn’t align with your views which is where the actual issue is. The actual circumstances don’t favor the carnivore diet in the sense of humanities continued survivability. So i’m not sure how healthy we will be in the event of a full biosphere collapse, whether in that case we will be so happy we caused it in part for this “superior” food source.

I mean if it was primarily more efficient sources of meat such as insects, and lab grown meat then it would have a much smaller ecological footprint. As you read above with sources, there’s a mass extinction happening now and it’s primarily caused by farming livestock of which cows are the most resource intensive of the primary livestock (cows, pigs, goats, sheep, chickens, ducks, fish). I don’t think it takes a lot to understand bigger animal equals more resources and lower conversion to food calories. Just click through those links to check for yourself. At this point I’m not sure what you’re not understanding here.

Your doubt was the ecological argument, I gave you proof. Then I said next you’ll doubt the connection to meat production and you’ll be confidently wrong twice. It is unfortunate, I really wish you were right that we weren’t killing nature and a very serious portion of that wasn’t meat production, but it is.

The single largest driver of biodiversity loss globally is habitat degradation, and the global food system specifically animal agriculture is the primary culprit. Livestock takes up nearly 80% of global agricultural land, yet it provides less than 20% of the world’s calories Link. Beef production alone is responsible for roughly 41% of global deforestation Link. Global meat production has more than tripled since the 1960s. Between 2000 and 2021 alone, global meat production jumped by over 51%.

Freshwater species have suffered the hardest hit, with an average 85% decline. Animal agriculture is incredibly water-intensive and a massive source of pollution; fertilizer runoff from feed crops and manure leaks cause toxic algal blooms, creating aquatic “dead zones” that suffocate fish and amphibians Link. Wild mammals now make up only about 4% of the world’s mammalian biomass. The remaining 96% is comprised of humans (34%) and our livestock (62%) Link. The 73% drop in wildlife isn’t necessarily because humans are hunting wild animals to extinction; it’s because we are erasing their homes to grow feed and raise livestock.

Now to just speak quickly on carbon emissions alone. Meat and livestock account for nearly 60% of all food-related emissions (roughly 20% of total global emissions overall) Link.

I’m glad for you but unfortunately for you and everyone else you are confidently incorrect. I am sure your next argument will be that meat production is an insignificant cause to the current state of things. If so then you would be confidently incorrect again.

In 2019, Biological Conservation reported that 40% of all insects species are declining globally and that a third of them are endangered. The total biomass of insects is estimated to be decreasing by between about 0.9 to 2.5% per year.

In 2004, the results were published of the first worldwide assessment of amphibian populations, the Global Amphibian Assessment. This found that 32% of species were globally threatened, at least 43% were experiencing some form of population decrease, and that between 9 and 122 species have become extinct since 1980. The average decline in overall amphibian populations is 3.79 percent per year, though the decline rate is more severe in some regions.

Almost half of all bird species are in decline globally and one in eight are threatened with extinction, according to a major new report warning that human actions are driving more species to the brink and nature is ““in trouble””.

More than a fifth of all reptile species are threatened with extinction, which could have a “devastating” impact on the planet, a new study warns. The largest ever analysis of the state of the world’s reptiles, published in Nature, found that 21% of reptile species are facing extinction

According to a recent report by the environmental advocacy group WWF, which found that amount of fish in the ocean has decreased by 49 percent since 1970.

All vertebrate populations (besides humans and livestock) decreased by 70% at the same time the human population and environmental usage / pollution increased exponentially. Yeah, I’m sure everything is fine. We just have nearly every ecosystem on the brink of collapse and a mass die off happening,it’s cool, don’t worry about it.

Legendary

So then what’s up? Advocating for a carnivore diet is ecological madness, particularly a beef based diet when there are more ecologically friendly ways to achieve a carbohydrate deficient diet.

I’m guessing you haven’t read the discussion until now. That’s an extreme but more realistically we should be decreasing meat consumption and advocating for a plant based or meat reduced diet for the vast majority of humanity amid what is essentially the ecological apocalypse. There are a few narrow scenarios where standard meat production is environmentally neutral but that’s simply not how most meat production is done.

Have you seen the discussion going on? Even our current level of meat consumption should decrease that is short of shifting to more efficient sources. Once again insect based protein sources can be comparable to plant based protein. I would suggest lab grown meat but I don’t think it’s matured enough yet.

Beef as a primary source of calories for 8 billion people is absolute madness and ecological suicide. More efficient sources of animal proteins like insects or lab meat is more reasonable if one muse obtain protein from animals.

To respond to other discussions but I have like an irl life so chill baby, I’m here for you.

I also have a banana in my garage but it’s only for OP’s mom.

I’m coming back with receipts after the weekend. Right now i can’t manage the 30 whole minutes to debunk the madness on this sub but I’ll get there. Even then I doubt anyone will change their mind. For what it’s worth I did a few weeks of active research on the subject for a ten page paper I wrote a while ago and gave casually read on the subject from what I consider to be reputable authors such as Michael Pollan. Generally speaking though this sub is pure madness in the face of a full biosphere collapse that is happening.

And the majority of cows are fed that way?

Is that a banana in your garage or are you just happy to see me?

Particularly before this January. I’m starting to believe them a little that Donald bought their “were gonna nuke them” bid or maybe it’s just another Epstein leverage over Donald thing.

This applies to people who are trillionaires through other means as well? Although most don’t publicly share their total wealth and underplay the value quite heavily.