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Can you do things that will get the other team killed, even if indirectly? Like get a particularly mean dinosaur to wander into their area.

My own personal interest was beyond running a server. It was getting features / policies into the software. I’m actually starting to think that developer’s politics aren’t the real issue. Might be open source dynamics are the real issue. Saw a lot of things in the bug tracker of someone saying, “Oh yeah that’s a good idea” and I thought whatever feature it was, might pull people into more chaos in various ways. Chaos meaning, people don’t stick with communities they want to continue to be in. It may be an inherent problem with writing software that uses the Fediverse. People may have rather different ideas about what the Fediverse is “for”. Like I’m not trying to look at thousands of GIFs a day. I think that’s what’s basically wrong with social media. Big groups, big volumes of shallow posts, that mainly works towards advertizing business models and reducing the “user’s” participation mainly to the act of “watching the new TV”.

Other people’s posts / content. What about the user’s own content? Sure plenty of people don’t care, but there is a working set of people who do produce content online, who care about the visibility and longevity of their output.

Well I can see one thing that kinda belies your point of view at present. Stability. Some people have presciently worried that their instance can implode, taking all content a user has made with it. Larger instances that are more stable, that have more backup infrastructure and ongoing commitment to operations, could out-compete smaller instances. Why this might arise, could be a historical accident of successful crowdfunding campaigns or something. I’m not sure how someone might do a better job of securing more server resources than others. Obviously a deep pocketed corporation who wants to influence the Fediverse, could do that.

Mechanized greater amalgamation carries a presumption of agreement and agreeability. This is not what I experienced on Reddit.

For instance there was r/gamedesign. It had serious problems of people staying on topic, and lesser but recurring problems of people becoming most uncivil. I started r/GamedesignLounge in opposition to this. I “ruled” with a firm hand unfamiliar to Reddit users, but quite to old guard Usenetters. All posts and comments required moderator approval. I would have been perfectly happy to share this in a double-blind comoderator system where I don’t approve my own posts, but such a mechanism doesn’t exist on Reddit. All subs are run by the “Lord of the Manor”. I was a nice, disciplined LotM and my job primarily consisted of hitting Approve. The fact of requiring people to adhere to the rules up front, rather than waiting for people to offend and be dealt with later, definitely elevated signal-to-noise ratio.

But I got no members and no surfacing. The incumbent name that anyone would look for, “gamedesign”, is already owned by someone else with critical mass. Opposing such a de facto group with “better moderation ideas” is pretty much impossible on Reddit.

Another example is the TV show fan sub r/TheOrville vs. r/USSOrville vs. r/OrvilleVSTrek . The last one died. The 2nd one is barely alive. I’ve refused to participate in the 1st, in solidarity with the 2nd and 3rd. Nobody cares though.

For awhile, there was only one r/vikingstvshow about the series “Vikings”. I don’t know about now; don’t care. Turned out it was not for fans of Vikings really! It was more for people to hurl rocks at Vikings and say this sucked, that sucked. Mods were totally down with that and fairly negative about the show. Somehow there weren’t enough Redditors interested in Vikings to support multiple subs about it, so the one dominated by negative leaning mods, ruled the roost. Anyone who actually liked the show, after getting the barrage of pissing and moaning over and over again, pretty much you packed up your stuff and went home after awhile.

In the case of Game of Thrones, there were enough people to support quite substantial, separate subs with very different moderator policies. And the different communities mostly hated each other. Tons of institutional inertia accrued to the sub that first managed to grab the “Game of Thrones” name though.

I got banned from r/CobraKai. I got a little wound up about what would really happen in the modern USA, if you had some karate jackass kicking you in the head on some beach somewhere, like in the original The Karate Kid. Someone would probably pull out a gun from their glove compartment and blow the other away. That’s fact, in the real world. Happens all the time. Happens between 12 to 15 year old kids in my city. Makes the newspaper headline regularly. Well that’s just too negative and toxic to be saying in the sub for some reason, so I get banned.

What if I want to go talk about this show somewhere else, where having a real sense of real world violence, and making comparisons to the fantasy world of the show, is ok? Not that CobraKai material is itself at fault here. They did their juvenile detention episodes. Its the heavy handed mods that were the problem, not the show. Well, r/CobraKai is reaping all these incumbent advantages of traffic shaping, having the name of the show.

So far from wanting to consolidate communities, I am thinking communities should not be allowed to monopolize valuable brand names for community participation. I’d like to think that “Game of Thrones” could have at least 5 different communities, all with “Game of Thrones” technologically part of their community name. I haven’t really thought through what the differentiator would be… the most trivial default designator would be a number. You might be on GOT 1, someone else might prefer GOT 2. Others prefer GOT 4. GOT 5 decided “5” wasn’t doing them any mindshare good, so they change it to the non-default “GOT - Icicles” or some such. But GOT would be a way that you quickly found all such groups, when searching.

This could admittedly lead to a long list of GOT groups, like 200 of them, and games to see how you climb to the top of such a list. But it might actually be a better circumstance, than just ceding all this valuable word territory, to whoever had the luck of first starting with the most obvious name.

What feature is missing from KBin or Lemmy to make them forums? KBin superficially looks like a forum, but I only just got here. My next step is to find out whether Lemmy devs are tenable people to work with on forum software development. They are Marxist-Leninists and run a M-L instance or two, it seems. I’m a socialist but not M-L and I’ve got run out of plenty of “tankie” subs on Reddit, so I’m worried about that. I don’t enjoy being called liberal or a bootlicker.

Since when does Steam provide game installers “bare” that don’t need Steam whatsoever to do an installation? I thought they infected all games they sell with Steam, in essence being a DRM platform. I just checked on this issue, read some article somewhere, and they indicated this is true for the vast majority of titles sold on Steam.

GOG, on the other hand, provides both a GOG Galaxy and a standalone .exe installer for the games they sell. You can back up that standalone .exe installer and use it anywhere. If you want to sneakerware it over to an old machine, you can. Once GOG has handed you that .exe installer, they’re not involved anymore. They are not a DRM platform. In fact that’s one of their main selling points that they pitch: no DRM.

I’ve bought a few games from GOG. I have never bought anything from Steam.

Absolutely agree. One of many reasons I’ve never bought anything on Steam, is Steam infects games with their Steam software. You don’t get the game “plain”. You get the game totally dependent on what Steam does with it. Like not running on an old machine anymore.

GOG gives me a backup of the game installer that has no GOG at all in it. I can save that backup to a DVD as an archive. Yes I do own the game, independent of GOG. I can get it to work, anywhere that it can be made to work. That might be easier or harder depending on where I try, but I can do it. I can do it 20 to 40 years from now if I remember to copy my DVDs, keep them alive, don’t get them burned in a house fire, don’t lose them, etc.

That’ll be a good problem to have though, because it means this platform will have been a massive success.

I dunno, could be a repeat of Eternal September.

How does the federation work from a high level?

Well, Captain Kirk goes out on the flagship and kicks some serious alien ass. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn’t usually screw it, but he is almost contractually obligated to have his shirt torn. Spock bails him out with derisions of Something Something Diplomacy, I forget exactly what. And that’s how the federation works. At a high level.

At a really high level, they all get zapped by plant spores and turn into hippies.

I wonder how much sleep early network people lost about communicating through the ether. Or late 19th century physicists for that matter.

And you can’t language the way people use police either!

without having to use another awful ‘-verse’ word.

They will stop using prefixes. They will just say verse.

Burkina Faso?

“The Fediverse is stupid.”
“The Fediverse is stupid.”
Negativeland said Christianity is stupid.
Christianity is stupid.
Communism is good!
[then a lot of chanting and noisemaking]

Until they try to find it on Reddit and they cry. Cry!

Call it Verse. You’ll win the branding wars.

Now that gets me thinking, what the hell was Wally World anyways? Was that a Chevy Chase thing?

Well Kermit the Frog said it’s a myth. But every time he said it, a miss showed up.

“Hey, Soviet SSR! In Russia you don’t federate. Federation does you!”

Didn’t mean to be so accurate…