Interesting. I might just be blind. Thanks for the update.

They’ve said very clearly this is not an optimal or even a permanent solution.

Lemmy/etc are lacking moderation tools that other platforms like Mastodon have. They are not seeking isolation from the rest of the fediverse, but they do need more effective moderation ability, and right now the only immediate solution they could find was temporary de-federation.

That said, obviously lemmy.world doesn’t have to just sit in a weird half-federated state. It’s just worth understanding why they’re doing what they’re doing.

Eeeh…

It seems to me like people have quickly identified the group you are attempting to get started (Or simply looked to see that you were), and it’s a group that is almost always involved in contention and drama at best, and actively causes problems in the community otherwise.

It’s the first thing I did, anyway. And I downvoted the OP, because it was clearly presenting the most optimistic version of the situation not the one that usually follows - and I don’t want to deal with it here. You still seem pretty… I duno. “Willfully ignorant” of the context around a lot of communities and media that identify as conservative. It’s baggage that really can’t be ignored, even if you should be allowed the opportunity to move past it occasionally - ignoring it seems disingenuous.

I’ve been ignoring that and attempting to focus on other things you’ve mentioned, eg the above scenario with search results and how federation works. Because regardless of my feelings about other things, we could still have a productive conversation about other issues.

I would not enjoy holding a “reasonable” conservative opinion (subjective, I’m not saying that as an insult) and be faced with the challenge of trying to establish a community for it on an instance like this or many others with a heavily progressive lean.

Which really does lead me to saying that starting your own instance really is in your best interest. If your instance behaves well, other instances won’t blacklist it, and it will be standing on its own feet and won’t have to deal with admins that would likely be personally difficult to deal due to that context.

It could even become a force for positive conservatives. That would be a good outcome for everyone - I would like to see divides healed.

A popular search engine returns search results linking to kbin, and nobody says “I could click on that, but I have an account at some other instance, so I’ll just manually edit the URL.” The bigger picture is that the world wants a single instance.

I think this is a valid issue and I think it’s something that deserves some attention if it isn’t on the mind of developers already.

From a generic developer perspective I see no reason why it would be impossible or even that difficult to improve the roaming experience.

Every time I read something from the EFF I’m reminded how incredibly valuable they are to our internet.

instance competes in a market of commoditized goods, which leads to coalescence.

Any user on one instance can interact freely with users and content on another instance as if they were on that instance, unless there are specific restrictions put in place, or one of the two instances has blocked the other. This is rare and often to prevent brigading, as your main post complained of.

So, not really. Normal people understand the concept of email. I don’t agree with the “It’s too complicated” suggestion. It’s been presented confusingly in this mad rush, sure.

At any rate, even if you’re right about federation, any social media service should seek to accommodate a wide diversity of ideas, opinions, and perspectives.

I think that’s entirely up to each instance. Not every instance has to be about everything or for everyone. Again, that’s the point.

Maybe, but it won’t be kbin, or other Fediverse sites.

It’s a common enough opinion to want one site to handle everything, but that’s not how this is set up.

kbin is part of the Fediverse. It is one instance of many.

I draw your attention to the sidebar:

Create your own instance

Clone repo and develop fediverse

Several communities who have more difficult interactions with others have already followed this route.

This level of control is generally handled at the instance level.

If you want to host a magazine and control interactions on it, host your own instance.