New federal clean fuel regulations, which take effect on Canada Day, are designed to cut pollution from vehicles. Although there won’t be much of a change to pump prices across the country on July 1, experts say, there will be a noticeable increase several years down the road. (Kyle Bakx/CBC)

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    It’s a good move. Canada isn’t even close to hitting it’s climate goals. The only way to actually hit 1.5C climate goals would be to tax carbon extremely heavily, resulting in a massive drop in quality of life. However if we and other countries don’t pay that “tax”, then we will pay massive interest over the next couple generations. It’s a lose lose situation.

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      I disagree. This legislation will just result in producers adding even more ethanol to gasoline, leading to more valuable farm land switching from food production to biofuels.

      Canadians are struggling to feed themselves as it is, we don’t need scarcity driving up costs even more.

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        Canadians are struggling to feed themselves as it is, we don’t need scarcity driving up costs even more.

        Corporate profits is the reason, not supply

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          Cool, so lets make things worse by reducing supply as well?

          Really don’t understand your train of thought here my dude.

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            We over-produce so much that we have artificial limits to protect profitability. Supply is not an issue.

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        Because of global warming there’s going to be a lot of land throughout the world that will no longer be viable for agriculture.

        If you’re upset over the current blip in food prices caused by the temporary disruption in grain supply stemming from the conflict in Ukraine, then buckle up, it’s gonna get a lot worse from here.

        We will need to move agriculture to other parts of the world. That’s going to mean food prices are going up no matter what we do.

        Why are you concerned with having to open up new farmland in other parts of the world for ethanol, when we’re going to have to move agriculture to other parts of the world either way? Seems like being upset over someone pissing in the ocean.

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          Because of global warming there’s going to be a lot of land throughout the world that will no longer be viable for agriculture.

          When? Just the date please

          If you’re upset over the current blip in food prices caused by the temporary disruption in grain supply stemming from the conflict in Ukraine, then buckle up, it’s gonna get a lot worse from here.

          No, the current blip in food prices was caused by mass money printing from the Pandemic. It is not “temporary”, food will never return to pre-war prices. Not that grain has anything to do with the hundreds of other products on the shelf experiencing the same increase.

          Congrats on falling for propaganda

          We will need to move agriculture to other parts of the world. That’s going to mean food prices are going up no matter what we do.

          Again…when? Won’t be in our lifetimes, but starvation is already happening today.

          Why are you concerned with having to open up new farmland in other parts of the world for ethanol, when we’re going to have to move agriculture to other parts of the world either way?

          Ah yes, great idea. Make the ethanol somewhere else in the world, and ruin it’s carbon neutrality shipping it all the way back to Canada. Not gonna happen, local farm land will be converted to fuel production instead.

          Seems like being upset over someone pissing in the ocean.

          Ironic considering Canada’s emissions are also a piss in the ocean.

          TL;DR there are far better ways to reduce carbon emissions than attacking our food supply or putting Canadians through significant economic hardship. The fact these options are being outright ignored by our government makes one question what the true motive is here.

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            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_climate_change_on_agriculture

            Food prices will increase by 80% by 2050.

            No, the current blip in food prices was caused by mass money printing from the Pandemic.

            What’s colloquially termed as “money printing” is monetary policy that involves central banks decreasing interest rates to increase the money supply. Central banks around the world are raising interest rates, the exact opposite of “printing money”.

            The demand for food is inelastic because people gotta eat. Are you denying that disruptions in food supply wouldn’t result in an upward pressure on price? Basic principles of supply and demand don’t exist simply because things you’ve read on the internet tend to avoid criticizing Valdimir Putin’s actions? Propaganda indeed.

            Again…when? Won’t be in our lifetimes, but starvation is already happening today.

            Wow so you’re really going all in on “screw future generations”? While the old saw of “the victors write the history books” isn’t always true, it is true that future generations will write the history books. What do you suppose the history books will say about people that have your attitude?

            TL;DR there are far better ways to reduce carbon emissions than attacking our food supply or putting Canadians through significant economic hardship. The fact these options are being outright ignored by our government makes one question what the true motive is here.

            I agree. Using public transit instead of driving is a much better solution. So are you going to get rid of your car because there’s a better solution? Or at least get an electric car?

            This is a temporary solution to reduce carbon emissions for people that are going to continue driving vehicles that emit CO2. It is certainly not a solution, it’s just something that buys us a little more time for the more permanent solutions to be implemented.

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        Fuel alcohols can be made from other source materials. Including waste and byproduct materials.

        We don’t “need to” displace food production to plant crops exclusively for fuel.