- Die in a few weeks? No
- Get more users than reddit? No
- Be a place in the long run for privacy minded people to escape corporatism and have discussions about any topic? Yes
Let’s be real, most of the growth of Reddit over the last 5 or so years haven’t been the type of folks generating good content and discussion anyway. Even if Lemmy gets like 1% of the userbase this place is going to thrive.
A large majority of the content posted there seems to be from bot accounts. No matter what you think Reddit’s active userbase is, it is heavily inflated.
Yup. I remember seeing a post of the top karma accounts on reddit and it was removed by the admins before I could finish blocking them all.
Meanwhile back in 2016 when I still bothered to participate in political subs it became painfully clear that the russian troll farms were real and that they were enflaming both sides of issues in order to manufacture outrage.
Than we saw the consolidation of power mods and retaliatory moderation/administration.
I hope every bitcoin and nft bro is left holding reddits handbags come IPO.
Regardless I’ll never go back. If lemmy dies I’ll get a fucking life or something lol
Oh absolutely.
I see a ton of support, thousands are making the jump and dozens of apps are being made/getting updated now. Seems Lemmy/Kbin will only grow from here as long as there’s no major setbacks
It was here before the Reddit implosion, will be after. Question is, will you be?
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Same. I’m not going back. Also, Lemmy/kbin have become way more active than before. I hope they gain more traction.
Glad to hear it. I deleted 2 accounts with over 100k karama, and moved fully to Lemmy. I’m here to stay as well. Reddit is dead to me.
100%, 12 year daily reddit user - feels like I’m out of a bad relationship. I moved all my third party apps off three weeks ago and have replaced all my time with Lemmy and the Fediverse.
I didn’t realize how poorly the experience had degraded - scrolling content mindlessly, most interactions were dull and sometimes weirdly antagonistic.
Conversely, my experience on Lemmy has been interesting content with more depth, connecting with people in a warm and welcoming way. I don’t expect this to become reddit - I wouldn’t really want it to.
I am excited for a future here as the third party apps are removed last this week and we can start a new adventure together.
Even if this does become reddit, here at lemmy.world, just move to a different Instance, block lemmy.world, and boom. Problem solved.
Would not take long to do. I expect many people will do just this. We’re probably going to be one of the most commonly defederated-with Instances, just due to being the largest and thus, spammiest.
But also the one with the most content as well.
Spam control really depends on the ability of the admins and moderation, as well as the quality of the mod tools. Lemmy is nowhere near the size of reddit yet for that to be a problem.
Yeah, but a lot of people really don’t want quantity when it comes to content, that’s the point. Some people really just want to get away from most of it.
Some people are a little elitist with it. It’s got to be the good stuff, and they draw lines between good and the 99% of everything else. Kinda like how most of the restaurants in the US are shitty fast food.
I’m not arguing for it or saying it is right for them to do so. I’m saying it’s inevitable. We are going to be defederated-with more than any group that isn’t political extremists. If that does not appeal to you, another Instance would be wise.
Yep, I’ll be deleting mine today or tomorrow. Going to scrub my comments history with this first: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
It’s more fun talking to folks than bots.
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I’ll be here, this place definitely has a lot more potential than Reddit does. Even though people may complain about federation this method is more stable in the long run, since individual sites can come and go and may fall victim to the same plague that Reddit is facing.
Was using RiF and reddit for 12 years. Been on lemmy for a few weeks and I don’t miss reddit. Certainly not going to try to use the official reddit app. So probably not using reddit even if I wanted to in the future.
This place has existed for a lot longer than the last month.
Mate, it wasn’t just created. This site has been around for a while
Lemmy will last because it was already around. I don’t think it will die in a few weeks. Today is my first day using it and I love it. I’m sure anyone who tries it will like it, too.
Been here a week or so - definitely different but I’m enjoying it. Less mindless scrolling, just good chats.
Two things to bear in mind…
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Lemmy existed before this current reddit fiasco, so it will exist after
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there are a critical mass of users now, and imo the userbase will continue to grow, with more and more unique content added
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Android / iOS apps are out, and in development. Mod tools are coming (iirc). As fediverse becomes less technical / easier to use, it’s only going to attract more people
I think it’s likely that we’re only seeing the first wave as well. The ones most affected by third party app shutdowns are the ones that are posting all of the content and doing the moderation. Once the apps go away, it’s likely the most valuable of reddit’s users do as well. I have been on reddit since like 07 I think, and once I can’t use Apollo any longer my use of reddit is effectively gone. I’ll still occasionally browse on desktop, but even then the only way I can tolerate the desktop version is with a bunch of add ons and old.reddit which I assume is next on the block.
We’ve already seen this on twitter. Now it’s just an echo chamber for nazis, increasingly fewer celebs, and marketers (which, tbh it kinda always has been, it’s just worse now.) Moving over to mastodon wasn’t fun for a week or two, but now there is a critical mass and basically everything I got from twitter I can get from masto now. Twitter still has tons of users and dwarfs masto, but that’s a lot of chaff for not a lot of wheat.
In terms of apps, some are out, but there is still nothing that comes close to Apollo especially on iOS. With the dev of Sync and I think RIF announcing Lemmy clients, that’s about going to be a done deal. Quite a lot of my regular follows from twitter didn’t move over until Ivory and a couple of other good clients came out, so as soon as there is a comparable set of Lemmy clients, I’d say it’s pretty much done.
All that said, Reddit’s already a shell of what it was even a few months ago. It’s maybe not as easy to tell, but as someone who’s been there forever, you can tell this is different. And I know personally, even though I used reddit like junkies used meth, I’m now checking rss again, discord for various communities, Lemmy, kbin, and even a few specific forums and so forth.
Spez running an absolute master class in how to ruin a business.
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It kinda feels like watching a slow-motion car crash. Fascinating, horrific, hard to look away. It really is quite incredible how he manages to bumble his way from fuckup to fuckup… yet still has his job.
Like you say, 1st July will be interesting to see just how much of an impact closing the apps has on their userbase. I’ve dipped my toe back in and it feels like the discourse has gone downhill bigtime, which doesn’t surprise me… users set the tone of a site, so if a large exodus of people who have some sort of belief in doing the right thing happens, the ‘power users’ left are not going to be the nicest of people. Some will just be too busy / numb to give a shit, but many of the ones left will be bootlickers by nature.
I think the app part is the biggest factor. I’m using Jerboa, and while it’s still good and useful, it definitely has some bugs (crashing when uploading photos has been annoying). I’m still sticking with it, but I can see a more average internet user getting frustrated with that or with the somewhat weird sign-up process and learning how federation-y stuff works.
It’d be sick to have a standard “this is how you sign up” tutorial built into each app!
undefined> I can see a more average internet user getting frustrated with that or with the somewhat weird sign-up process and learning how federation-y stuff works.
Yep this is it. Just got to be patient and keep doing what we’re doing, being helpful / polite when communicating, adding content where we cant. Rome wasn’t built in a day!
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Hmmm the main question is whether it can get it’s content to show up in search results - this being the main selling point of Reddit and other platforms.
Right now, if you help someone fix an issue it’s pretty much walled in and unavailable.
Yeah, I was talking to my wife about this.
Today I can search “whatever reddit”, but with Lemmy-like I have no idea how, since it’s not centralized.
Yes, getting lemmy’s link high enough on google that it can even be compared to reddit’s is a critical but immensely difficult battle to fight since the latter has 18 years of inertia, I guess it all comes down to a matter of pumping the OC and high quality content consistently for a very long time
agreed, is there any way to fix this?
i’m fairly certain that it really just depends on the google web crawlers to find and index pages. but if the posts are public that’s just a matter of time.
even with reddit, a post has a new URL so takes some time to be indexed by google or other search engines.
so maybe it’s just a matter of delivering relevant content over time so that lemmy results get preferred over others
SEOs, search engine optimizations. (Only devs not me 😩 could do that)
This isn’t true. SEO has been optimized to find good content that engaged users. Long gone are the days of cramming together keyword lists and throwing a few meta tags to rank high. Write high quality (preferably long form) content and it will pay dividends.
Source: I’ve worked in digital marketing too long.
I think and hope the fediverse will thrive in the years to come. It’s the only way for us users to keep control over the platforms we use and feed.
It’s time for the healthier internet we deserve. Networks like Facebook and Twitter have pushed toxic content to their users solely on the purpose of creating engagement. The World would be a very different place if that content had been moderated correctly instead of being pushed toward suggestible population.
I won’t go back.
I think it’s here to stay, and it makes me hopeful that we can get a somewhat mainstream version of the Internet as originally envisioned. The corpo hellscape we have right now is garbage.
While everyone wants to constantly cry about it not being Reddit - the fact that people are flocking here hand over fist over the more direct 1 for 1 Reddit clones shows that people do understand that we need to go back to a more decentralized web. Even if this doesn’t hit critical Reddit size mass, there’s enough of us to keep each other company ❤️
Are there any 1 for 1 reddit clones live at the moment? I’ve heard of some in development, but I haven’t seen any that you can actually use already.
There’s a few. I don’t know too much about them because it seems silly to bail on one centralized authority for another lol.
I’m having fun here and it’s scratching my online discussion itch. I’ve barely been back to Reddit and when Apollo dies I think I will not go back at all. 16 years on Reddit and almost 300K karma.
It all depends on if Reddit continues to make decisions with disastrous optics. If this is the one and only user bump Lemmy will get off the back of Reddit, I can see it dying down in the future, but if there’s more I think it’ll take flight and eventually start snowballing on its own merits. I’m not sure if it’ll ever be mainstream, but it’ll persist - as it was before all this.
When Reddit forces “new Reddit” is when the real migration will occur. Reddit is dying more and more every day.
But they promised us that old reddit isn’t going anywhere. Surely, we can trust that something won’t happen if they say it won’t happen, right?
You can trust that it won’t happen in the next fifteen minutes, probably. I wouldn’t believe much further out than that.
I think the 3PA devs got about four months, right?
Reddit in January: we will not charge for the API. Not in the next few years, at least.
Reddit in April: charges are coming, but they’ll be totally reasonable and based in reality
Reddit in May: if you want to use the API, you should pay us 29x what we make from customers that don’t use it
Personal opinion: activity will spike around now, then plateau not much lower than its peak. It’ll probably never be as popular as Reddit. I imagine most people will run into some minor inconvenience, then never try to use it again, and the rest of us will be here for years.
I guess a big spike is still ahead, which will be around Saturday, once the 3rd party reddit apps shut down for good.
Lemmy is really the only solution because it is becoming as indepth as reddit is/was. What sucks is it will still be like a splinternet situation, having to spread all of our solutions across the internet.
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That’s whats holding me back on fully moving to Lemmy. Aside from the smaller number of users and, consequently, content, the need to use more than one account and website can be really annoying.
You don’t need more than one account. To follow other lemmy instances from your lemmy.world account, copy the full link from the other instances sub, and paste it in the search page on lemmy.world foudn by click the magnifying glass in the top right. It should pop up in the search result where you can subscribe.
I was talking about defederation :/ Especially from beehaw, I really like it there but can’t interact with lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works from there 😰
But you can interact with beehaw from lemmy.world. I just tested it
The whole concept of federation is that you only need to use one account and one website to access all the others.
Maybe the thing we need to work on is educating people about how the fediverse works
We went from everyone hosting their personal websites to thousands of blogs to a handful social media websites. The history has favoured homogenisation. Fediverse (not Lemmy) might be that one thing where everyone shares their thoughts; siloed social media websites like Reddit will probably become irrelevant in the future like the “internet” forums from the ‘00s are today.
