We’ve talked before about your theory that opposing all right-of-center candidates, even when one is running against a democracy-ending fascist, is something you think is justified and productive. I actually don’t agree with some of your criticisms of Biden, but much more to the point, I think actively propagandizing against him in this particular election is foolish and dangerous.
If you were incessantly posting articles about productive ways to push the establishment Democrats to the left, and support for the rare handful of them that actually represent the people decently well, you and I would be very much on the same page, but just relentlessly shitting on Biden is something that I feel like giving a response to.
so just downvote and move along. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I’m not obligated to stop talking because you want me to. On my side, I could tell you to not post these things and move along, but, here we are.
A decent solution is that you could block me, so you won’t be bothered by my comments, but I get to say my piece and everyone else can still see them as a counterpoint. Everyone’s happy then, right?
Him and the DNC are handing Trump another presidency
You keep pivoting to this “oh isn’t it a shame that Trump’s doing well, I’m just a humble concerned citizen” stance, while actively doing what little you can in this little corner of the world to help Trump do better. Like I said, if you were actively promoting leftist ideals in government, it’d be a whole different conversation.
The DNC’s not great. Biden’s accomplishments though, as compared with a standard Democrat, are actually pretty significant. Actually the very first places I would put the blame for Trump doing as well as he is would be (a) establishment Democrats as a whole, for turning their back on the working class ever since Jimmy Carter (b) the US news media, especially the turgidly pro-corporate part of it that you keep posting links to.
This user is not interested in good faith debates about political ideologies and injecting some actual fucking leftism into the US. They post a variety of articles, mostly to dilute the anti-Biden posts. For every 1 post about a random topic, return2ozma has 3 anti-Biden posts. They post just enough random topics to claim they aren’t a troll. Their goal is to spread just enough propaganda to discourage leftist and sway centrists on Lemmy (lol centrists on lemmy).
They post just enough random topics to claim they aren’t a troll. Their goal is to spread just enough propaganda to discourage leftist and sway centrists on Lemmy (lol centrists on lemmy).
They’re a textbook example of a concern troll. But unlike Reddit, Lemmy is too small for their M.O. to go unnoticed. It’ll be nice when they eventually tire of their tactics being called out and go back to Reddit.
They’re also showing a pretty textbook example of Never Play Defense from the alt-right playbook. I’m honestly not sure why I engaged with them for the length of time I did, but I looked back at the flow of the conversation and it was something like:
Me: This article being repeated at the frequency it is, is propaganda
They: You’re saying Biden’s going to win the election, let me attack that viewpoint
Me: Biden’s record is actually pretty good, whereas Trump is the end of the world, that seems relevant
They: You’re saying CNN’s reporting of Biden is factually wrong
Me: It’s relevant that Trump is the end of the world
They: You’re saying we should ban CNN
Actually typing it out in summary, I have no clue WTF I was thinking with continuing the conversation that long 🤣
Yes, I know. I’m partly posting for other people to read. If posting a constant stream of “don’t vote for Biden” on leftist parts of the internet has enough effectiveness for someone to prioritize it (which seems to be happening to at least some level), then conversely it must have some level of effectiveness to do the opposite. It’s what I do with my time instead of volunteering with some effective organized leftist political organization. 🙂 Why that is my priority setup, I don’t know.
I am a bit sincere in holding out hope that they’re simply a confused leftist who thinks that posting a constant stream of anti-Biden stuff is helpful in some way, but my faith in that worldview has been challenged, it’s true. It is a challenging time in US politics at present.
We saw this same concerted effort to erode support for Biden in the last election by fake progressives lamenting how bad he is. They were bad faith actors propping up Trump then, and this guy is no different. Glad someone’s around to call him out on his BS.
Exactly this. It’s the same party loyalists that wouldn’t listen to us when we said Clinton would lose to Trump and literally told us they didn’t need us.
You’re like the guy in the horror movie who says, “You want us to CLOSE the BEACH? On the FIRST DAY of tourist season? You must be joking, that’s insane.”
Yes, he really is going to make a credible effort at ending our democracy, and yes that really is much much worse than business-as-usual US foreign policy which is sometimes pretty bad. Saying it incredulously won’t make it not a big deal.
Edit: It is also relevant also that the monsters that Trump supports are much worse than the monsters Biden supports. There’s no guarantee that Trump won’t support Netanyahu (he did move the embassy to Jerusalem), but unlike Biden, he will also support Putin, Xi, Orban, Duterte, and other modern day mini-Stalins who are in a position to do quite a bit more killing than what’s happening right now in Gaza.
Right, so if it was me in your situation, I wouldn’t be sucking Bidens dick trying to prove to everyone that he’s not as bad as trump. I would be out protesting my shitty government.
I’ve noticed that the pattern of you and your ilk is pretty much never to respond directly to what was said, but just with each message to throw a few vaguely-related statements out, generally just vague anti-Biden statements without connection to the previous conversation. It’s like a slow motion Gish Gallop.
sucking Bidens dick trying to prove to everyone that he’s not as bad as trump
Okay, sure. Lay out for me how Biden is as bad as Trump. Or, change the subject to another talking point non sequitur if you like, you do you.
Meh, I don’t block anyone. Carry-on your rebuttals of the articles I post if you’d like then. Be Biden’s champion. Maybe write to CNN, NBC News, ABC News, and other liberal news orgs to tell them how they’re all wrong on the reporting they do about Biden? 🤔
I disagree with what they do and don’t present, and with the emphasis they place on different things.
To me, it’s relevant that Trump wants to end democracy in the United States and weaponize federal law enforcement against his enemies, and that he reacts with approval when his supporters want to kill his enemies. To me, if I ran a news organization, any coverage of the presidential race would be informed in some way by that context. I definitely wouldn’t inflate a maybe-has-some-legitimacy story about (this week) Biden’s age (when next week it’ll be something else) in the way that you and CNN like to do.
I think CNN, and you, are basically running stories about how Hindenburg is old and out of touch with today’s youth who want vigor and change in their politics, and how Hitler’s going to clean him up in the general election, and different mistakes that his opponents have made in the past. In that sense, yes, I would disagree with what they’re reporting.
This type of “oh I guess you think X should be banned” strawman reaction to any criticism of a news outlet is, itself, anti-free-speech. Of course I can say CNN often reports harmful half-truths and explain what I mean by that. Are you suggesting I shouldn’t say that? Is there a reason you’re strawmanning that into me somehow saying they should be banned?
Nah, I hate Biden so just downvote and move along. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Him and the DNC are handing Trump another presidency and y’all will just keep saying everything is fine when it’s obviously not.
We’ve talked before about your theory that opposing all right-of-center candidates, even when one is running against a democracy-ending fascist, is something you think is justified and productive. I actually don’t agree with some of your criticisms of Biden, but much more to the point, I think actively propagandizing against him in this particular election is foolish and dangerous.
If you were incessantly posting articles about productive ways to push the establishment Democrats to the left, and support for the rare handful of them that actually represent the people decently well, you and I would be very much on the same page, but just relentlessly shitting on Biden is something that I feel like giving a response to.
I’m not obligated to stop talking because you want me to. On my side, I could tell you to not post these things and move along, but, here we are.
A decent solution is that you could block me, so you won’t be bothered by my comments, but I get to say my piece and everyone else can still see them as a counterpoint. Everyone’s happy then, right?
You keep pivoting to this “oh isn’t it a shame that Trump’s doing well, I’m just a humble concerned citizen” stance, while actively doing what little you can in this little corner of the world to help Trump do better. Like I said, if you were actively promoting leftist ideals in government, it’d be a whole different conversation.
The DNC’s not great. Biden’s accomplishments though, as compared with a standard Democrat, are actually pretty significant. Actually the very first places I would put the blame for Trump doing as well as he is would be (a) establishment Democrats as a whole, for turning their back on the working class ever since Jimmy Carter (b) the US news media, especially the turgidly pro-corporate part of it that you keep posting links to.
This user is not interested in good faith debates about political ideologies and injecting some actual fucking leftism into the US. They post a variety of articles, mostly to dilute the anti-Biden posts. For every 1 post about a random topic, return2ozma has 3 anti-Biden posts. They post just enough random topics to claim they aren’t a troll. Their goal is to spread just enough propaganda to discourage leftist and sway centrists on Lemmy (lol centrists on lemmy).
They’re a textbook example of a concern troll. But unlike Reddit, Lemmy is too small for their M.O. to go unnoticed. It’ll be nice when they eventually tire of their tactics being called out and go back to Reddit.
They’re also showing a pretty textbook example of Never Play Defense from the alt-right playbook. I’m honestly not sure why I engaged with them for the length of time I did, but I looked back at the flow of the conversation and it was something like:
Me: This article being repeated at the frequency it is, is propaganda
They: You’re saying Biden’s going to win the election, let me attack that viewpoint
Me: Biden’s record is actually pretty good, whereas Trump is the end of the world, that seems relevant
They: You’re saying CNN’s reporting of Biden is factually wrong
Me: It’s relevant that Trump is the end of the world
They: You’re saying we should ban CNN
Actually typing it out in summary, I have no clue WTF I was thinking with continuing the conversation that long 🤣
Yes, I know. I’m partly posting for other people to read. If posting a constant stream of “don’t vote for Biden” on leftist parts of the internet has enough effectiveness for someone to prioritize it (which seems to be happening to at least some level), then conversely it must have some level of effectiveness to do the opposite. It’s what I do with my time instead of volunteering with some effective organized leftist political organization. 🙂 Why that is my priority setup, I don’t know.
I am a bit sincere in holding out hope that they’re simply a confused leftist who thinks that posting a constant stream of anti-Biden stuff is helpful in some way, but my faith in that worldview has been challenged, it’s true. It is a challenging time in US politics at present.
Sounds like Nancy Pelosi! Tell those fake dems to go back to China!
What is three times five please
Stay in school, you’ll get there eventually.
Dude, you can’t make a comment like that and then get offended when someone wonders whether you’re a bot
Are you retarded? Lol
Just in case you didn’t Get my reference
We saw this same concerted effort to erode support for Biden in the last election by fake progressives lamenting how bad he is. They were bad faith actors propping up Trump then, and this guy is no different. Glad someone’s around to call him out on his BS.
Criticism of the democratic party is not defacto support for trump. Biden is not above criticism.
Exactly this. It’s the same party loyalists that wouldn’t listen to us when we said Clinton would lose to Trump and literally told us they didn’t need us.
You and @nudding are the same person. Nice responding to yourself there.
“There’s no possible way that 2 different people can criticize dear leader”
Really starting to sound like a particular orange man’s supporters 🤔
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Vote for our genocide and climate apocalypse or Trump will take away our democracy >:(
What a fucking joke.
You’re like the guy in the horror movie who says, “You want us to CLOSE the BEACH? On the FIRST DAY of tourist season? You must be joking, that’s insane.”
Yes, he really is going to make a credible effort at ending our democracy, and yes that really is much much worse than business-as-usual US foreign policy which is sometimes pretty bad. Saying it incredulously won’t make it not a big deal.
Edit: It is also relevant also that the monsters that Trump supports are much worse than the monsters Biden supports. There’s no guarantee that Trump won’t support Netanyahu (he did move the embassy to Jerusalem), but unlike Biden, he will also support Putin, Xi, Orban, Duterte, and other modern day mini-Stalins who are in a position to do quite a bit more killing than what’s happening right now in Gaza.
Right, so if it was me in your situation, I wouldn’t be sucking Bidens dick trying to prove to everyone that he’s not as bad as trump. I would be out protesting my shitty government.
You do you though.
I’ve noticed that the pattern of you and your ilk is pretty much never to respond directly to what was said, but just with each message to throw a few vaguely-related statements out, generally just vague anti-Biden statements without connection to the previous conversation. It’s like a slow motion Gish Gallop.
Okay, sure. Lay out for me how Biden is as bad as Trump. Or, change the subject to another talking point non sequitur if you like, you do you.
Meh, I don’t block anyone. Carry-on your rebuttals of the articles I post if you’d like then. Be Biden’s champion. Maybe write to CNN, NBC News, ABC News, and other liberal news orgs to tell them how they’re all wrong on the reporting they do about Biden? 🤔
Says “I’m far left”
Dares me to disgree with CNN or other “liberal news orgs”
Curiouser and curiouser
So you don’t disagree with what they’re reporting? Notice I’m simply posting articles from them 99% of the time.
I disagree with what they do and don’t present, and with the emphasis they place on different things.
To me, it’s relevant that Trump wants to end democracy in the United States and weaponize federal law enforcement against his enemies, and that he reacts with approval when his supporters want to kill his enemies. To me, if I ran a news organization, any coverage of the presidential race would be informed in some way by that context. I definitely wouldn’t inflate a maybe-has-some-legitimacy story about (this week) Biden’s age (when next week it’ll be something else) in the way that you and CNN like to do.
I think CNN, and you, are basically running stories about how Hindenburg is old and out of touch with today’s youth who want vigor and change in their politics, and how Hitler’s going to clean him up in the general election, and different mistakes that his opponents have made in the past. In that sense, yes, I would disagree with what they’re reporting.
Should we move CNN to the banned news source list like Fox News now? If they’re going to criticize the sitting president I mean…
This type of “oh I guess you think X should be banned” strawman reaction to any criticism of a news outlet is, itself, anti-free-speech. Of course I can say CNN often reports harmful half-truths and explain what I mean by that. Are you suggesting I shouldn’t say that? Is there a reason you’re strawmanning that into me somehow saying they should be banned?
Lol what a shit troll. Do better.