The election is important BUT the president isn’t and shouldn’t be above criticism. He is not doing the killing but he’s keeping the killers well stocked with weapons and ammunition, doing PR for them and undermining any attempt to stop the killing.
If this isn’t something he should be criticised for I don’t know what is
People too stupid to understand how politics work would rather just insult everyone who doesn’t hold the exact same narrow ignorant view that allows them to virtue signal.
They’re a huge difference between criticizing, and refusing to vote for him over a single issue. Criticize him all you wish, he’s certainly earned it, but crossing one’s arms and staying home instead of voting as a result of said criticism is fucking stupid.
Genocide is a pretty big issue as far as it goes though. Wouldn’t say it was “fucking stupid” - what if you have family in Gaza? What if one of them died?
I think you’d still have to vote Biden (first past the post fucking sucks) but if you didn’t, it’s on Biden for not changing his approach in the face of criticism from both voters and his own party. That is how democracy is supposed to work.
Biden hasn’t committed genocide. And the fact that you think he has- or even has the authority to do so in another country he has no authority over- illustrates my point:
You kids serially need a new bit. Because this one is exhausting for myself and everyone else to try and correct. It’s fundamentally wrong on every level.
I’m going to go ahead block you now as I have with all the other nonsense spewing tankie because I can see from just this one comment of yours that you will not add anything of value to add to any discussion I might find myself in.
Biden hasn’t committed genocide. And the fact that you think he has- or even has the authority to do so in another country he has no authority over- illustrates my point:
Well I don’t think he has soooo? Literally read the first comment you responded to.
He bypassed congress to get them weapons to continue the killing and the US vetoed a cease fire resolution. This is not “you kids and your tiktok talking points” as much as “well known pieces of news that paint a clear picture of complicity in what is being seriously investigated by the ICJ as a case of genocide.”
I’m going to go ahead block you now as I have with all the other nonsense spewing tankie because I can see from just this one comment of yours that you will not add anything of value to add to any discussion I might find myself in.
Lol I am a tankie now apparently despite being an anti-authoritarian leftist. I’m sure you’ll be way more informed if you block any opinion outside of your bubble. Absolutely delusional
And were Biden stupid enough to cut aid to Israel he’d lose two to three times as many potential Votes as there are to gain from cutting off aid. But you don’t care about that as purity is the only concern and consequences are for others to pay.
It’s not about purity you donut. It’s about the fact that we’re witnessing a fucking genocide with our own eyes and instead of being outraged by it and calling for an immediate stop, you’re weighing political election outcomes.
Yes exactly. Seriously I get the need for tactical voting, but this is embarrassing. Anybody criticises the president of the United States for supporting a fucking genocide and we get a lecture about Trump and how we’re going to spoil the election. Believe it or not some things are more important and Biden is failing in his duty as a president and a human being.
Should you still vote for him? Yes, obviously.
Does that mean we have to just stay quiet while he supports war crimes and much worse? Why the fuck should we
The polling shows around 50/50 support toward Israel, and the the separation is generational. Quite succintly, Biden is in a pickle. Unconditional support toward Israel could also cost him the election. I’d argue this can be used as a wedge issue against the Democratic Party.
Polling shows about 50% of Democratic voters view Israel’s invasion of Gaza as a genocide, and 30% aren’t sure yet, with only 20% viewing it as not a genocide.
Biden’s actions don’t reflect the vast majority of Democratic voters.
The election is important BUT the president isn’t and shouldn’t be above criticism. He is not doing the killing but he’s keeping the killers well stocked with weapons and ammunition, doing PR for them and undermining any attempt to stop the killing.
If this isn’t something he should be criticised for I don’t know what is
People who support genocide for its own sake will come up with any excuse to keep their indefensible positions from scrutiny.
People too stupid to understand how politics work would rather just insult everyone who doesn’t hold the exact same narrow ignorant view that allows them to virtue signal.
You certainly are.
They’re a huge difference between criticizing, and refusing to vote for him over a single issue. Criticize him all you wish, he’s certainly earned it, but crossing one’s arms and staying home instead of voting as a result of said criticism is fucking stupid.
Genocide is a pretty big issue as far as it goes though. Wouldn’t say it was “fucking stupid” - what if you have family in Gaza? What if one of them died?
I think you’d still have to vote Biden (first past the post fucking sucks) but if you didn’t, it’s on Biden for not changing his approach in the face of criticism from both voters and his own party. That is how democracy is supposed to work.
Biden hasn’t committed genocide. And the fact that you think he has- or even has the authority to do so in another country he has no authority over- illustrates my point:
You kids serially need a new bit. Because this one is exhausting for myself and everyone else to try and correct. It’s fundamentally wrong on every level.
I’m going to go ahead block you now as I have with all the other nonsense spewing tankie because I can see from just this one comment of yours that you will not add anything of value to add to any discussion I might find myself in.
Well I don’t think he has soooo? Literally read the first comment you responded to.
He bypassed congress to get them weapons to continue the killing and the US vetoed a cease fire resolution. This is not “you kids and your tiktok talking points” as much as “well known pieces of news that paint a clear picture of complicity in what is being seriously investigated by the ICJ as a case of genocide.”
Lol I am a tankie now apparently despite being an anti-authoritarian leftist. I’m sure you’ll be way more informed if you block any opinion outside of your bubble. Absolutely delusional
And were Biden stupid enough to cut aid to Israel he’d lose two to three times as many potential Votes as there are to gain from cutting off aid. But you don’t care about that as purity is the only concern and consequences are for others to pay.
It’s not about purity you donut. It’s about the fact that we’re witnessing a fucking genocide with our own eyes and instead of being outraged by it and calling for an immediate stop, you’re weighing political election outcomes.
Yes exactly. Seriously I get the need for tactical voting, but this is embarrassing. Anybody criticises the president of the United States for supporting a fucking genocide and we get a lecture about Trump and how we’re going to spoil the election. Believe it or not some things are more important and Biden is failing in his duty as a president and a human being.
Should you still vote for him? Yes, obviously.
Does that mean we have to just stay quiet while he supports war crimes and much worse? Why the fuck should we
Because the consequences are more important than a feel good pyrrhic moral victory.
Only if you’re American.
No, the consequences shall be felt around the world. Just as they were the last time idiots decided teaching a lesson was more important.
Biden is a politician. What else should we expect? He’s not a great leader, or a moral paragon, or a persuasive debater. He’s a politician.
So continue the slaughter so he doesn’t lose? I thought liberals claimed they were gonna hold their people accountable
In no way was that posted, but I do understand you wish it were.
Thats exactly what you said. "Who cares that 30k+ Palestinians are dead as long as Biden doesnt lose’
There is no need for you to be accurate as your goal is to sow discord.
Nope, you’re the only one saying that. Claiming the moral high ground doesn’t give you the right to make shit up.
The polling shows around 50/50 support toward Israel, and the the separation is generational. Quite succintly, Biden is in a pickle. Unconditional support toward Israel could also cost him the election. I’d argue this can be used as a wedge issue against the Democratic Party.
Polling shows about 50% of Democratic voters view Israel’s invasion of Gaza as a genocide, and 30% aren’t sure yet, with only 20% viewing it as not a genocide.
Biden’s actions don’t reflect the vast majority of Democratic voters.