• Lamps@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    Chances are, an innocent person has been killed because of the death penalty. That alone has me against it entirely.

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        8 months ago

        I don’t see any “have to” in here at all. To me, that just looks like a desire to have the state murder people. That’s not justice.

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          I think executing someone who was convicted of murder is justified.

          Elizabeth Sennett’s family can now know some peace. Don’t take it from me, feel free to read their direct quotes below:

          _What was the stance of the victim’s family? “Some of these people out there say, ‘Well, he doesn’t need to suffer like that,’” Charles Sennett Jr., one of Ms. Sennett’s sons, told the local station WAAY31 this month. “Well, he didn’t ask Mama how to suffer. They just did it. They stabbed her multiple times.” Another son, Michael Sennett, told NBC News in December that he was frustrated that the state had taken so long to carry out an execution that the judge ordered decades ago.

          “It doesn’t matter to me how he goes out, so long as he goes,” he said, noting that Mr. Smith had been in prison “twice as long as I knew my mom.”_

          https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/25/us/execution-alabama-kenneth-smith.html

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            8 months ago

            Who’s moving goalposts now? A decision being “justified” doesn’t mean it’s “a chance we have to take.”

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              8 months ago

              I’ve been consistent on my position as well as my statements. You however have yet to form a coherent argument that wasn’t based in emotion.

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                8 months ago

                That’s fucking rich. Your entire point is that killing guilty people is somehow justice. How is that not based in emotion?

                Here’s a coherent argument that isn’t based in emotion: the death penalty does not improve society in any way when applied to a guilty person, and when it does lead to the death of an innocent person, it both reduces the likelihood of the real perpetrator ever seeing justice, and prevents the innocent party from ever being released.

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                  8 months ago

                  Executing the sentence of those found guilty by an impartial trial is the very definition of justice. Perhaps you’ve forgotten that.

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          8 months ago

          Last I checked the guy they Nitrogen’d wasn’t innocent.

          How many guilty killers are you ok with escaping punishment?

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            I am ok with every guilty killer not being executed if it means saving a single innocent person. Note that I did not say that I am ok with them being released.

            I ask again, how many innocent people are you ok with murdering before it’s no longer worth it?

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              I’d rather not see any innocent people executed. But nothing made by man is perfect, there are always going to be mistakes. No one wants to kill the innocent but it can happen. That’s the chance we take when living in a state with the death penalty.

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              8 months ago

              No they tried to execute this guy before, it didn’t work so this is their second mistake.

              In this case I was responding to a loaded question with another loaded question.