Can we agree this state/federal “laboratories of democracy” bullshit is a failed experiment? Our framers were wealthy land owners who suggested land owners be the only class be allowed to vote, they were far from infallible, and their quarter millenia old framework isn’t compatible with or flexible enough for modernity.
It just makes 50 societies often working against one another instead of one with common governance. This need for systemically enforced competition and disdain for the concept of cooperation is a self-destructive cultural value.
i think it was somewhat more sensible when the main form of communication was riders on horseback but it’s gotten stupid very quickly
Shall we unite behind God-King Trump then? The more decentralized and “competitive” the system, the better for most individuals. Sure, there is inefficiency, but those inefficiencies might save us from fascism.
The more decentralized and “competitive” the system, the better for most individuals.
According to? If I recall some of the worst crimes in US history we’re committed with the authority of individual states. In fact it took a more centralized authority to secure the civil rights we enjoy today.
but those inefficiencies might save us from fascism.
Again, this doesn’t follow logic or history. Fascist don’t work within the operational parameters set by the status quo. Fascist are revolutionaries, not reformers, they don’t care about how centralized or decentralized a government is. Their entire purpose is to destroy the current hierarchical framework and replace it with their own.
Also if we take a look at the nations where fascism did arise like pre war Italy or Germany, they were highly disorganized and fractured governments. The factional deadlock and decentralization were the only reason fascist parties made any headway in the first place.
No, but if we were a society we shouldn’t play by different sets of rules, and root against other members of our society, which the mini-societies at odds with each other and rooting for each other’s failures stokes.
We should either be 50 different countries not resentfully beholden to one another while competing against each other, or preferably one nation with the same communal rules and government to complain to and change with our combined democratic power. As it is, when California suffers, Texas cheers, and vice versa. That’s a deeply broken nation at odds with itself.
This is just some broken, in-between limbo that’s the worst of both scenarios. A house divided - by design! Good for monied interests to exploit and play against itself, think of Amazon starting tax cut bidding wars between states to build there, not good for the people en masse, the people that need their state’s capitalist businesses to pay taxes for the commons like schools and roads.
State National Guards ordinarily fall under the control of their respective governors, but they can be federalized by a mechanism known as Title 10 status, which places them at the direct disposal of the president and defense secretary, with active duty officers taking over day-to-day command
Title 10 isn’t even rare…
They do it for all types of shit, and Biden is fully within past usage if he does it here.
I’m cautiously optimistic he’ll do the right thing here.
His donors don’t want the instability of a full on secession
His voters don’t want the instability of a secession*
succession
They are not serious people.
Don’t keep your hopes up, rarely does anything exciting happen in politics.
You mean “exciting” like a fun thing like a rollercoaster?
Yeah, that’s rare.
But “exciting” like getting mugged in an alley?
That seems to be all that’s happening recently lol
But Biden going title 10 wouldn’t even be fun exciting. It’s the completely normal and expected thing to happen
We’re watching the fall of Rome in real time and you don’t think it’s exciting?
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Some decades, little happens. Some months, decades happen.
Let Texas secede, they’ll learn just like UK with Brexit. Texit, if you will.
Nah, others will follow and they’ll invent a reason to start a war.
Probably something like claiming the US owes them their taxes back.
If we give them money, they’ll ask again later, if they don’t they’ll send peasants to “liberate” stuff from blue states.
This shit ain’t a joke, and they’re not going to just peacefully exist next to the US.
If we give them money, they’ll ask again later, if they don’t they’ll send peasants to “liberate” stuff from blue states.
Like how they “liberated” Fort Sumter.
Or how they “liberated” free blacks from free states, abducting them, and selling them as slaves.
That’s the thing about secessionists: they think they’re the only ones who can claim “rightful ownership” of… anything. Women? Minorities? Taxes? Land? They’re all just property, and as such, ought to be theirs.
Secession is illegal
It’s all fun & games till you’re arrested for violating 18 U.S.C 111 & you’re looking at a year Federal time, a $100k fine & never being able to work in law enforcement again.
I hope Texas police officers are aware that qualified immunity doesn’t cover you when you are obstructing federal officers in the execution of their duties.
This statute outlines certain types of assault against a federal officer and the appropriate charges and penalties. Penalties for Defenses for Assaulting or Resisting a Federal Officer A simple assault of a federal officer carries a $100,000 fine and up to one year in prison. For example, simple assault is forcibly assaulting, resisting, opposing, **impeding, intimidating, or interfering with federal officers while performing their duties. As noted, physical contact or injury is not required for a conviction.** Simple federal assault is a Class A misdemeanor that carries up to 1 year in jail and fines of up to $100,000.Actually, I don’t care. The DoJ needs to start making examples out of the #fascists & their thug enforcers.
Don’t forget the enhanced penalty.
(b) Enhanced Penalty.—
Whoever, in the commission of any acts described in subsection (a), uses a deadly or dangerous weapon (including a weapon intended to cause death or danger but that fails to do so by reason of a defective component) or inflicts bodily injury, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
Use a weapon or injure one of those federal officers and it could be 20 years plus the fine.
And even a dull knife will get you the same. “Defective component”
Don’t stop there, take over the entire state government. Throw traitors to the curb and clean house
There’s already legit criminals in the executive branch, so seems justified to me.
Can we just shove Texas out into the ocean already?
Lifelong Texan. Fuck it, you have my support. So tired of this.
I think Florida is in the way.
As a former resident of Florida, feel free to push us in, too.
I see this as an absolute win.
Plus, I’ll be the proud owner of ocean front property in Oklahoma.
Just add it to Mexico.
Great, they can call it “Texit” and we all know how successful that movement is shaping up over the pond.
They tried last year.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Independence_Referendum_Act
Nobody in the texan government wants it to go through. They’ll push it to give lip service to the worst parts of their support base, just as long as they’re sure it will fail. We should pull a prank and let them push it over the finish line, and then invade the new texan independant state.
No, let them be “independent” until businesses demand they come back. I give them one fiscal quarter (3 months) of plunging sales. No one will trust the government of Texas like they do the US Government.
TBH with Abbot spending all their money on razorwire that appears to magically increase immigration numbers against its intended purpose, they might be going bankrupt even without ever seceding.
Unless all of that National Guard expenditure somehow made it out of federal military budget?
Haven’t they been trying that since they joined the USA?
I can’t see that going well, at all. Not a mutiny or fragging type situation, but a massive pencil pusher revolt.
I imagine their chain of command will pencil whip the fuck out of anything they can do that will cause issues for D.C., and as much as a headache as it’ll be for the feds, it’ll also be hilarious.
I hope he does it. I’ll have popcorn waiting.
How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man?
why does everyone associate the corpo owned politicians with the citizens?
sure as with other states you will find plenty of people who want otherwise for their state and grouping them in with those slime politicians and saying let them go does not help anyone
Then go arrest Greg and beat him senseless for being a pos traitor.
We have a constitution and you’re encouraging cruel and unusual punishment. Almost like you don’t really care about being a traitor or not.
Using what was done at Gitmo as an upper limit, well you could dump him out of his wheelchair break his hands and for him to crawl ten miles.
Plus I suspect the person above probably would be satisfied with just throwing Abbot into a cell.
The Texas Nationalist Movement (TNM) is campaigning for the Lone Star State to break away from the United States and become a fully independent country, using what it regards as the federal government’s failure to control the Texan-Mexican border as one justification.
Just let the fuckers leave. Today. They can take their 2 Republican Senators and 38 Representatives (25R, 13D) with them. We’ll build a wall on the border and make them pay for it.
Looks like Putin gave the Brexit propagandists a new assignment.
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I love shitting on Texas and Florida and, well every southern state, and most of the Midwest, and quite a few states out west, but as someone who lives in one of these areas I like to remind everyone that’s there’s a lot of decent people living in those states. That is all.
There are also lots of decent people living in the countries the US bombs.
What’s the difference?
The difference is the issue being discussed. Being discussed is a state seceding from the US. What you are interjecting is a comment on the US’s foreign policy.
Hand it over to the cartels and see how they like living in a ‘libertarian’ state.
So I looked up what “federalizing the National Guard” means in this case.
The National Guard is a unique entity in that it answers to both state and federal governments. Troops can be mobilized by a state governor or the president, depending on need. The National Guard personnel restricting access to Shelby Park are on state orders as part of Operation Lone Star, Abbott’s sweeping border security initiative.
In theory, the president or the defense secretary could divert those troops by tasking them with a federal mission.
“There are a variety of statutes that allow the president to federalize the National Guard in different circumstances. But the only one that would clearly apply in this case is the Insurrection Act,” said Joseph Nunn, counsel at the Brennan Center’s Liberty and National Security Program.
Nunn described the Insurrection Act as a “nuclear bomb hidden in the United States Code” and explained that using it would be politically costly.
“The Insurrection Act gives the president sole discretion to decide whether the criteria for invoking it are met,” he explained. “There are quite literally no safeguards to stop it from being abused.”
Historically, Nunn said, presidents have only invoked the act to federalize National Guard troops as a last resort. That was the case in 1957, when President Dwight D. Eisenhower mobilized the Arkansas National Guard to enforce a Supreme Court ruling on desegregation.
So, this would mean USURPING the Governor’s control of the Texas National Guard in order to get them to do something else.
THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT BIDEN TO DO.
THIS IS A STUNT.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SECESSION.
They want to be able to point to Biden’s actions in this and say “Bad” in twelve different ways.
They ALSO want someone to invoke the insurrection act so everyone can have carte blanche to use it whenever they want LATER, no matter who is in control.
This is a horrible precedent to set.
This whole situation is bad.
Rep. Joaquin Castro said: “Governor Greg Abbott is using the Texas National Guard to obstruct and create chaos at the border.”
The best option here might be to let his own idiocy backfire on him. I just hope there’s a way to do it without more loss of life.
Not a job Biden has the balls for but I’d love to be wrong. Trump is far far from the only fascist in office and the milquetoast Biden response to these people that’s been empowering these behaviors was never going to be what the country needed to root out this problem. In fact Id wager more than most elected Democrats and all Republicans are unable or unwilling to fix this.
